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noon chart for juan guaido

it is interesting, even if it is a noon chart... transiting nodal axis square guaidos /saturn/pluto conjunction in this time frame, and of course the next couple of years has a real focus on saturn/pluto given the upcoming conjunction in 2020 where it will be square guaidos natal position.. guaidos mars/pluto square is a dangerous aspect to have in a public person who is in a position to be charged for treason... i wonder how this all unfolds..

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A video from NTN24 Venezuela channel broadcasting the moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ttUxLGkDk

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Unfortunately, they give times for a number of cities, but not for Caracas. But you have La Paz time, as on this screen shot, which is the same as the Caracas time. You can check with the time of the other cities.

The time is 12:03 (or maybe 12:04 because the time goes off the screen at the very final moment when he is declared president)

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And from the same channel, the moment Guaido takes oath as a president.
1:50 PM Caracas (as in previous case I took the La Paz time which is the same as in Caracas)
On the upper left corner you can see "in vivo" (on live).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKTg8A5Aao

UPD. Double check: A Venezuelan journalist covering the rally breaks the news on twitter: https://twitter.com/perezvalery/status/ ... 4683197441 You can change your timezone directly to Caracas time: the tweet is from 13:46 local time.
I will though use the 13:50 time (as on the video) because that's the moment when Guaido finalises his speech with the oath and swears and the rally explodes with applause.
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Ok, now we have two beautiful charts with the exact time.

Some preliminary thoughts before getting to any interpretation:

1. It's clear to me that the first Maduro presidency chart expired on Jan 10 when he took oath again.

2. What we have now is two "competing" presidency charts. That's an important point to bear in mind: Guaido's oath looks kind of fake, but so is actually the Maduro's despite its more formal look : his whole election was highly contested at home and internationally, the inauguration itself wasn't regular, apparently the constitutional prescriptions were not respected, many countries simply didn't recognize this inauguration and even cut diplomatic ties with Venezuela. Maduro's second presidency has never been a simple regular presidency.

Actually ever since Jan 10 it was a developing situation/crisis, so

3. The two charts are strongly related.

So here we are, we have a sort of two presidents: both presidencies are fake in their own way, both are contested/recognized by a part of international community and Latin America, both control some state institutions and/or powers (like Guaido having the Parliament support and Maduro having the executive branch), etc.

*Interesting point: Maduro took oath after the solar eclipse, Guaido after the lunar one. I would be curious about what would Tom tell us about these lunations.

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Few first glances:

1. What strikes me in Maduro's oath chart: the eclipse is on MC and on the day of Guaido's oath Mars was squaring it. Now Saturn is coming on it (interesting, what would it mean?).

2. What strikes me in Guaido's oath chart is Venus/Jupiter conjunction in Sag. Venus/Asc and Jupiter ruling the 11th/Good Daimon: wow, the support, the dreams come true. Do you see, that this Venus separating from Jupiter is just on the antiscia of Saturn in Maduro's oath chart (Saturn ruling MC)?

I just like it so much: this Mars ruling the ASC/Maduro's oath and this Venus ruling the ASC/Guaido's oath. Did you notice that Maduro's oath was followed by a military parade (not to mention the protests on that day)? And Guaido, a rather handsome man, taking oath amidst huge crowd, immediately welcomed by an important part of the int community. That's pretty much Venus carried by a Jupiter in Sag to me.

Coming back to that Venus. On Jan 23 Venus is finally separating from Jupiter and coming to Saturn's ant., but this whole Venus/Jupiter transit lasted a little moment, at least several days, with Venus approaching and then with moving along Jupiter. In Maduro's oath chart DSC/enemy is in Libra, Jupiter rules the 9th and the 12th (+ 4th by exaltation). Pretty telling. So over these 10 days after Maduro's oath and before Guaido's oath (Venus coming to Jupiter) there must have been some preparations, some negotiations with foreign partners (which explains how many countries recognized him immediately, this support was negotiated before) and when everything was ready (Ven/Jup conj) Guaido did it (Ven separating).

3. Outlook. If we just stay with these Mars and Venus: Mars is coming now on the Asc of Maduro's oath chart and will go through the first house. Mars in Aries. I guess there's no need to say more.
But Venus, separated from Jupiter, is going to ingress into Capricorn on Feb 4.
I suppose it may be a tough time for Guaido and his supporters until this time. Maybe a feeling that Maduro is not going anywhere and Guaido is going nowhere or to jail.

But Venus comes to Cap where it'll join Saturn (MC both charts). They receive each other and guess where? In 1° off the Jan eclipse (Saturn also ruling that eclipse). Feb 18th 16°46' Cap.
At that very time (Feb 14th) Mars will make its ingression into Taurus, Venus' domicile, the place of its detriment.

So things are probably not so good for Maduro and probably not so bad for Guaido. We'll see.

These are my first impressions just with a quick glance, not saying that's it.
I looked the transits here because the situation itself is an ongoing crisis and transits are about just few weeks from now.
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marjorie orr shared a time for maduro off a birth certificate - via astro.com.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maduro,_Nicolas
Not so fast. Apparently, there are two charts of Maduro.

Castellanos add:"All this definitely inclined to assume as valid the time 21:03 , however Nicolas Maduro himself gave me the data of 5pm. He told me that this information had been given to him by his mother".

Here: this astrologer speaks about these two charts: https://laedbpdala.wordpress.com/2017/0 ... as-maduro/

As to Juan Guaido:

I so far found time 10:15 AM http://critica24.com/index.php/2019/01/ ... rolomejor/ Not clear at all, where this local astrologer took the time.
Another Venezuelan astrologer Nestor Sanchez gives the time of birth 10:45 AM (Asc/MC are the same Libra and Cancer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jd0qs3ZvfA
And the third Venezuelan astrologer, Enriquetta Bruni, using Guaido's chart with Asc in Libra http://www.pictame.com/media/1956799360 ... 2111618320 The time is apparently again not the same, but very close to 10:45

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mari,

thanks for all the work you have put into this... clearly it helps if you speak spanish, which i don't, but it appears you do! i am busy the next few days, but hopefully will find some time to comment by sunday-monday..
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mari,

regarding the data for maduros birth time which you challenge in your last post... i get the data from astrodatabank which is usually pretty reliable..

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maduro,_Nicolas

in the source notes you can read it all...

regarding the topic of guaidos birth time... the 1015, or 1045am times both give libra rising - 8 degree difference.. the solar return has pisces rising in both for the present year.. i slightly favour the 1015am time for the connection between the ascendant in the solar return and his natal moon, if the time is accurate.. both give this as a 12th house profection year - so mercury and the position of mercury is very important... as it happens if the times are close - 1015am or 1045am - this puts virgo on the descendant which is not as favourable for this year...

personally i favour the 903pm time for maduro for the connections to his natal chart here at present which i could explain if need be...

it is interesting marco rubio, one of the prime architects of this usa regime change idea for venezuala was a child born from cubans who fled cuba in 1956 while the usa installed dictator batiste was in power... it is ironic rubio wants to inflict on the venezualans what his family was trying to escape.. i may have more to say in the next few days..

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.. i get the data from astrodatabank which is usually pretty reliable..

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Maduro,_Nicolas

in the source notes you can read it all...
Of course. And you can notice that Venezuelan charts are provided to Astrodatabank by a Venezuelan astrologer named Eduardo Castellanos (I gave a link to his blog). And as you said one can read it all in notes: a birth certificate shown on tv + Maduro personally gave him another time, as the time given to him by his mother.
Well, I personally prefer the mom's time given by Maduro to Castellanos (Asc in Taurus). First of all, because anything could happen with the birth certificate (especially given that the context of its publication was controversial), but mum won't be 4 hours wrong. I do trust mums.
Secondly, because of his personality and appearance: a somewhat dark skin complexion, a huge fancy for the army, eternal martial stance, etc fit Venus in Scorpio way better than Jupiter in Pisces. Not to say that Jupiter in Pisces as an Asc ruler would him a certain charisma and popularity he desperately lacks.
i slightly favour the 1015am time
I have an UPD: it's definitely 10:45 AM. Time given by Guaido's wife to local press: "Juan Guaidó was born at 10:45 a.m. on July 28, 1983" https://www.caracaschronicles.com/2019/ ... ed-guaido/ If it's of any interest to you, you also have her exact time too. (Venezuelans look to be *really* into astrology to specify such details in press articles).

I'm OK with 10:45.

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quite fascinating how they have provided the details on the times of both of them!
Venezuelans seem pretty much into astrology, numerology and all kinds of predictions. When I was looking for the birth data, I've seen lots of local press publications - not the most serious ones of course, but still - on it. Also remember than we have Chavez time from an astrologer who claims to have this data from the time when Chavez contacted her after his first failed coup to get him out of trouble. Also Chavez calling his mum on TV live to ask her for the time because there was a question from audience. And so on. (that's one of the reasons why I prefer the time Maduro gave himself for a consultation, as they take it seriously he surely gave the time he himself thought was the most reliable)