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Who will win the game?
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nipoleon



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Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the concept of the game of Set Pieces and it is valid. Frankly, American football is a lot more interesting to watch on TV than in person. The whole game has become a TV show. I find the constant lulls between plays unbearable and I seldom actually watch the games myself. That's why there are so many other things going on to entertain the audience.

These sporting contests are not so random as it might seem. If the outcomes were truly random they wouldn't be worth watching.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pittsburgh beat Kansas City 19-13 despite the Sun being intercepted. An intercepted significator is usually a very good indicator of a loser. Perhaps that the Sun is in Via Combusta is a factor but that should work against it. Perhaps that Saturn is in the Joy of the Sun is the reason.
Well, it just doesn't work all the time.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm a little surprised to see that you don't give consideration to either Fortuna or the part of Victory


I think the Part of Fortune is misunderstood generally. People tend to think that since it's named " Fortune " then it symbolizes where fortune is to be found. I don't think that's necessarily the case.

I agree with Marc Edmond Jones, in that the Part of Fortune symbolizes more the emphasis of the chart or it's focus. It's not money or good luck. I wish the Part of Fortune could tell us who will win but I just can't get it to.

The Part of Victory I simply haven't studied, or any of the other Arabian Parts as far as game charts are concerned.
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Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Let's try Indianapolis at Tennesee.

Tennesee is the 1st. Taurus and Venus. Indianapolis is the 7th. Scorpio and Mars.

Venus has transited into Libra and is now exalted by sign.
Mars is exalted by terms but only makes an inconjunct with Uranus and so is Void of Course.

The Moon does give a translation of light from Pluto to Saturn but I don't think this counts for much.

The Void of Course Mars is really the telling factor here.

Tennesee should win.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tennesee won the game easily, pulling away in the 4th. quarter, 36-22
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indianapolis at Tennesee notwithstanding the result was not Mars in mutual reception with the Moon.?
Was Mars really VOC?
Mars ingresses Libra 22OCT2017 18:29 UTC

Prior to that Moon Sextile Mars 22OCT2017 11:35 UTC
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Indianapolis at Tennesee notwithstanding the result was not Mars in mutual reception with the Moon.?
Was Mars really VOC?
Mars ingresses Libra 22OCT2017 18:29 UTC

Prior to that Moon Sextile Mars 22OCT2017 11:35 UTC


Which chart are you looking at for which game?
I don't see how the Moon and Mars are in mutual reception with Mars in Virgo.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mistake. Mars and Moon are in Mutual Reception by Triplicity but, as is unsupported by either of the other two minor dignities (term and face), is insufficient.

But was Mars really VOC?
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But was Mars really VOC?

Traditionally as I've learned it, once a planet has passed all the major aspects it is Void of Course. The only aspect Mars applies to is an inconjunct to Uranus and minor aspects don't count.

I have an open mind about allowing the semi-sextile and inconjunct aspects to the rule and I've seen charts go both ways on it. I think this needs more study.

The rule I use for mutual reception is that two planets must be in each others dignity. I don't use any other confirmation than that. Naturally, the importance of the reception decreases with the dignity. Two planets in mutual reception by sign have more power than two planets by terms.

This is how I view it generally:
Dignity brings power.
Aspects bring action.
Dignity without aspects is meaningless.
Aspects without dignity are meaningless.
A dignified planet which can't act is helpless and an active planet without dignity is ineffectual.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your reply.

I am collecting a database of games and "testimonies" for analysis.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been trying to use the techniques discussed here and have an example from this weekend that I would value thoughts about.

Friday 20th, 8pm BST at West Ham has R1 (Mercury) and R7 (Jupiter) both intercepted in the 6th. Both are without dignity, except that Mercury is in mutual reception by sign with Mars. R7 is combust, but only if we allow it being in a different sign to the Sun.

This seems to be close but with the home team slightly stronger. Perhaps a low scoring match, 1-0 perhaps?
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to help you out here but unfortunately, the Moon has entered the Via Combusta and won't leave Scorpio until Sunday. In my opinion, any horary chart done during this time is rendered unpredictable. Invariably, no matter what I predict, something else will happen.

I'm looking for something good on Monday or Tuesday.
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't the Via Combusta 15LI to 15SC ? I missed noticing it for Friday, but it clears early Saturday morning.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Via Combusta is through 15 of Scorpio but I always wait until the Moon gets out of Scorpio altogether since it is its fall. But, you could go ahead and give it a try.
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Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so sure that the Moon on the Via Combusta really has that much of an effect on this type of astrology.

Two out of 3 of Arsenal's recent FA Cup wins have come when the moon was at 3ยบ Scorpio, with accurate prediction.

Agree with GB that it's (West Ham vs. Brighton) probably going to be a low scoring game, my suggestion would be either 1-0 or 1-1.

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