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Tom
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this tight orb always used?


It's not really an orb; it's a definition. However, there are slight differences here and there depending on the astrologer. 16 - 17 minutes is usual. I've never seen an astrologer take it to 23, but I suppose that's not impossible. Look at the chart and Venus and see if you think Venus combust is more accurate in Macron's case.
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Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Cazimi really ONLY apply to the Inner Planets ??

It'd have to include Mars though too ?

But NOT the Outer though they can go Combust ?

Um ?

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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is this tight orb always used?

No, the standard definition going back to Paul of Alexandria and Porphyry and used throughout the Middle Ages is one degree ('when they happen to be of like degree with the sun, not being distant from it by more or less than 59 minutes').
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Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fleur wrote:
opening post on this thread says to be Cazimi a planet has to be within 16 minutes of the Sun. Is this tight orb always used?

Fleur: I'm no scholar of antiquities/medieval stuff, but in my translation of the Elements of the Art of Astrology by Al-Biruni, (10th century) he gives the orb of cazimi as 16 minutes of arc, like Lilly. For all I know this may be Lilly's source too.
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Fleur wrote:
Is this tight orb always used?

No, the standard definition going back to Paul of Alexandria and Porphyry and used throughout the Middle Ages is one degree ('when they happen to be of like degree with the sun, not being distant from it by more or less than 59 minutes').

Like most topics in astrology, ancient, medieval or modern, there are many divergent opinions, clearly cazimi is no exception.
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Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for interesting thoughts about what orb to give Cazimi, and as Tom said look at charts such as Brigitte Macron's and see how her Venus manifests. Also Rocko's suggestion to see if outer planets can also be Cazimi with the Sun.

I had noticed for a long time that there are a few famous rock musicians who have their Mars within one degree of their Suns. I associated a strong Mars with rock musicians, so this would be appropriate.

David Bowie, Patti Smith and Nick Cave all have Sun within one degree conjunction with Mars.

So maybe it is worth keeping an open mind that Cazimi could be up to one degree?
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A strange chart to have Venus Cazimi, Genie Wiley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_(feral_child)
Born 18th April 1957, Arcadia, California.
No time of birth known, but it looks as though Venus was within one degree of the Sun all that day.
There has to be something going on with the Moon, which only a time of birth would show.

Venus seems to be about depression.
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