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PallasAthene



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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:10 pm    Post subject: Rugby 6 Nations Reply with quote

Here is the schedule -
https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/en/matchcentre/fixtures_and_results.php

Round 1 is complete so might be worth visiting those charts for known outcomes.

There are 3 x matches this weekend.

My proviso is that I will not judge matches with a similar chart - so start time and/or location.

Also - is the winner the one with most points after all the rounds? (rather than a knockout, final match, like football).

If you post a chart, please state who is the favourite and the team colours and put the round and teams in the subject header and in your reply.

Let's do some Astrology!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Nations_Championship


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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:31 pm    Post subject: Round 2 Ireland v Italy Reply with quote

Having trouble posting a chart! Not done it for a long time..

https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?gm=a1;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=10;smon=2;syr=2018;rs=0;add=18;node=-Yn;asp=0;nhor=2;nho2=99

Ireland V Italy
14:15 10/02/18
Aviva Stadium, Dublin, Ireland

Home team - Ireland
Favourite - Ireland
Colours - Ireland emerald green, Italy sky blue

Judgement to follow, based on Frawley method. (At first sight -moon makes no aspects before leaving sign... so I'd say favourite wins but want to double check...)

EDIT: to add testimony

For favourite - (L1 & L10)
1. L4 combust
2. Pluto inside DC - tight, less than 1 degree.
Pluto is destructive force - tends to work against the favourite - but with such a tight placement inside L7, destroys L7

For underdog - (L7 and L4)
1. Moon conjuct L7 by antiscion -and will conj during match (11 seconds).

To be decided (i'm just not sure)
1. No bodily aspects of moon over next 5 degrees (only the antiscion mentioned)

It is 15:21. Given that Ireland are in the lead 28 to 0 - I think the void moon and Pluto on DC give a win the the favourite, L1 & outweighing the moon's actiscion aspect.

EDIT 10/02/18 21:48
Ireland won 56:19
So Pluto on DC really did destroy the away team!


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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's been some time since I did a rugby match.

When I knew which two countries were playing and there was a trophy to be retained I used to do Castle Beseigement, anyhow I'll stick with what I usually do.

It was too late to look at the Ireland game.

England V Wales. England favourites.
Start 16.45 Twickenham 10/2/18 Asc 19 Leo and Moon 25 Sagittarius.

I have the Hour Ruler and Ascendant ruler in the same triplicity - radical.
Hour ruler under the beams and the Moon in the bounds of a malefic. Moon applies to hour lord but does not perfect.

For me, radical suggests favourite, hour lord cannot influence and the Moon does not contribute as it applies to a planet under the beams and leaves the sign.

Chart says things go according to plan - favourite (England) win.

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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Round 2 England V Wales Reply with quote

England v Wales
10/02/2018 16:45
Twickenham, England

Home Team: England
Favourite: Wales (Edit: WRONG - England are favourite!)
Colours England white, black socks; Wales red, white shots red socks.

https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?gm=a1;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=10;smon=2;syr=2018;rs=0;add=18;node=-Yn;asp=0;nhor=2;nho2=99

I am giving L1 and L10 to home team in this instance. L1 is sun and England wear white. L7 is saturn, Wales wear the darker colour - red.

Testimony for L1 (& L10)
1. Pluto conjunct L4 by antiscion I have given L4 to Wales - the favourite. This may be a major testimony for England!

Testimony for L7 (& L4)
1. L10 combust
(Note - sun is inside DC but at 3 degrees, too far, irrelevant! We shall see...)

Moon void of course, no aspects b4 leaving sign
Now - this is where it gets interesting!
"No change" "nothing happens" associated with VOC moon translates in real life into - as expected (fav wins) - OR who ever won last time, wins this time. Which will it be : )
2017 6 Nations England v Wales resulted in 21-16 to ENGLAND.
So - this testimony could actually go to England, not favourite.

HECK - Could it be England win?

EDIT 20/02/18 21:39

England won 12:06
I got the favourite wrong.

So winning testimony appears to be shown by:
Void moon favours favourite or last years's winner (same team!)
L4 conj pluto by antiscion

Both of these top trump L10 combust.
And significator 3 degrees inside cusp is too far to have an effect.


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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:54 pm    Post subject: Round 2 England V Wales Reply with quote

This method relies on accurately assigning L1 and L7.
If you get this wrong, you will make the wrong call.

I am trying to reverse the significators - but my head is scrambled - I just can't do it!

Lala Happy crying Confused
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john wrote:


I have the Hour Ruler and Ascendant ruler in the same triplicity - radical.
Hour ruler under the beams and the Moon in the bounds of a malefic. Moon applies to hour lord but does not perfect.

For me, radical suggests favourite, hour lord cannot influence and the Moon does not contribute as it applies to a planet under the beams and leaves the sign.


Thanks for joining in, John! I haven't ever looked at these methods. So interested to see how they compare.


john wrote:
Chart says things go according to plan - favourite (England) win.

What do I know Confused


More than me clearly! I can't even read the bookies odds properly.

I saw this headline - England to beat Wales 25/1! FALSE. Odds are actually more like 1/5... doh! England are clear favourite.

https://www.oddschecker.com/rugby-union/six-nations/england-v-wales/winner

Can I ask your opinion, John?
I find the long threads really confusing.
Each round is 3 x matches.
Shall we start a new thread for each round? And I can do separate summary at the end.
Does that sound reasonable to you?
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't astrology easy when you get something right Lala Happy

A separate thread for each round makes sense, good idea.

I'd better start thinking about the Scotland/France game now.

I have Scotland as favourites.

Any one else for waking this forum up?

Good luck
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Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:26 pm    Post subject: Round 2 Scotland v France Reply with quote

https://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?gm=a1;btyp=2;mth=gw;sday=10;smon=2;syr=2018;rs=0;add=18;node=-Yn;asp=0;nhor=2;nho2=99

Scotland v France
11/02/2018 15:00 GMT
Edinburgh, Scotland

2:47 Leo rises
Moon at 06:13 Cap

Moon is technically void - out of moiety to next aspect, sextile Jupiter at 22:13 Scorpio (not a significaotor anyway)

Allowing 5 degrees for moon's action - opposition to POF anitiscion at 13:49 Cancer - probably too far.

Home Team: Scotland
Favourite: Scotland
Colours: Scotland, dark blue; France away, mostly white with red & blue shoulders. (will edit if necessary on the day)
EDIT 11/02/18 15:18
Scotland wear white with purple shoulders & shorts
France wear blue, not light, not dark. Their nickname is "les bleus"

L1 (+L10) = Scotland sun + venus
L7 (+L4) = France saturn + mars

Testimony for L1
1. Moon makes no significant aspects in next 5 degrees and is technically void

Testimony for L7
1. Pluto conjunct L10 by antiscion

2. Moon opposes POF antiscion - 7 1/2 degrees, prob. too far. Unless there is a LOT of extra time... is that possible?

3. "Void" moon - France won last year.

To my mind there is not sufficient STRONG testimony for L7 to win.

On the other hand, there is not much for L1 either! Only that "void" moon might favour favourite....

Saying that - what we do have slightly seems to favour L7.
So I am going to count the following:
pluto/L10 conj by antiscion
"void moon" favours previous winner, not favourite we shall see... : )

France to win but perhaps a draw is also possible


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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scotland v France

I have Scotland as favourites. Asc 2 Leo, Moon 6 Capricorn

The hour ruler and asc ruler are in the same triplicity so the chart is radical.

If this was soccer I'd be considering a draw but I'm not convinced how realistic this is in rugby, so I will discount that option.

The Moon is weak but separating from a planet in rulership. I'd expect a weak Moon to move the result to the underdog but see this Moon as having been strengthened as it is close to the house ruler. On the basis that the Moon has been strengthened I see this as a testimony for the favourite.

The hour lord is under the beams and has no dignity, so has no influence.

Sometimes early and late degrees rising shift results (energy too raw or worn out) but am undecided about 2 degrees fitting this pattern without more testimonies for the underdog.

On balance, I go with the favourites Scotland.

Isn't it exciting when we predict different results! Good luck Pallas
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john wrote:

Isn't it exciting when we predict different results! Good luck Pallas

This round is a good test of "void moon".
We will have some evidence for who it actually favours, all things being equal.

And there is another testimomy being tested - secondary significator (L10 or L4) being "destroyed" by pluto.

Looking forward to the match. Although I do think it will be a low score... and maybe even....
john wrote:
If this was soccer I'd be considering a draw but I'm not convinced how realistic this is in rugby, so I will discount that option.
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Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:45 pm    Post subject: Round 2 Scotland v France Reply with quote

Well done John! 3 for 3!

32:26 to Scotland

So Void Moon favourite wins: )
Makes sense when other testimony is limited.

Pluto conj L10 or L4 by antiscion is not strong enough to top trump void moon and might not be any testimony at all.
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Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't considered that a void moon indicates the favourite, although it will be worth noting the next time it occurs.

I look at the quality of the last aspect the Moon made as to whether things should go according to plan, or not.

I look forward to the next games.
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