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Will X and I have a relationship?
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amphitrite



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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:02 pm    Post subject: Will X and I have a relationship? Reply with quote

1) Chart is radical

2) Lunar Mansion is in Batn al-Hut; Moon is conjunct the Ascendant

3) My significator is Jupiter in the eighth and has a mutual reception with Mars in the ninth; it is in the term of his significator.

4) His significator is in the twelfth and his dispositor is in the tenth house. It is also cazimi.





Any thoughts on this? I am not sure if this is a "yes" or "no", and what nature of the relationship it reveals. However, the significators accurately describe me and him.
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amphitrite



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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed my significator is in his term. It makes sense because I am thinking of him and he doesn't have much mind for me (at this moment).

The dispositor of his significator, however, is in the face of my significator. What could this mean?

Again, thanks to anyone who helps me with this chart.
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johannes susato



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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Text is following.

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johannes susato



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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To get the quesited relationship you need a valid connection betweem the significators of both of you.

So your significator is Jupiter, your cosignificators are the Moon and Venus.
His significator is Mercury and his cosinginficator is the Sun.

To begin with the fastetst of your significators, the Moon, she applies to the trine of Jupiter, your own significator. Aspects between own significators are oftentimes a testimony that the querent is oftentimes changing her mind as to the quesited.

Your Venus seems to be applied to by his Mercury, but him, being void of course for a while would have to run a long way to the conjunction of Venus, a much longer way than the moiety of both their orbs admit. But above all, and much sooner there will be the prohibiting sextile of Saturn.

Because Saturn's sextile will be reached of his Sun too, this could be a testimony for this man could be becoming a friend of yours, Saturn being the lord of the 11th. To verify this possibility a consideration of the dignities and receptions would be of relevance, but a friendship was not the matter of your question, and Pluto on the cusp of the 11th seems to give a warning at this moment and in the direction of a mere friendship.
Or is all this a testimony that he is already a friend of yours?

In all I do not see that you and X will have a relationship.
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amphitrite



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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@johannes susato

Thank you for this. Thumbs up

Yes, I oftentimes change my mind towards the questied. This is correct.

It's complicated.

Nope, he is not my friend but he is a mutual friend of my friends.

It's good that you point out we'll have a friendship, though. I'll have to check the mutual receptions and dignities.

I have to wonder if we won't have a relationship because of his lack of interest or because of mine. How is one supposed to see that in the chart, or would I have to cast another horary question for that?
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amphitrite



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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see the Sun is in the triplicity of Saturn, however Saturn is in the triplicity of Venus.

Sun is in the sign which Saturn rules over in day time [this is a day chart], and Saturn is in its night time ruler.

Would there be a debilitated connection, because there is only one planet being received?

By the way, how important are Arabic Lots in this horary?
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 12th house emphasis is really strange here. Venus is sort of what I see as the subject matter and she is exaulted yet besieged in the 12th. Then the quesited is in the heart of a bad sun in the 12th. Are they ill? Do they have mental health issues? The south node on the 12th house line is also emphasizing something. I think there is something odd about this person. To me it isn't even a question of whether they like you or not but more so I wonder if you should be aware of the type of person they might be or something they are not sharing with you somehow. Perhaps it is just showing disappointment for you but to me it just seems rather odd how emphasized the 12th is. Maybe you feel like you can never get close to them but I wonder if you know them at all (hence the idealist/dreamy Moon in Pisces too). Normally I would think the Sun represents them being with someone else, and that may be the case, but it seems like it might be something else here, especially since Mercury debilitated can often be a liar and here it is in the 12th in a sign of Saturn, showing something secretive or unknown about them and Saturnian energies are generally not very easy, particularly in the 12th - to me the symbolism could even point towards deviant behavior. The Moon is also translating the light of a square from Mars to Jupiter. This is the same Mars that is next afflicting Venus in the 12th, so I just don't see this as positive at all.

Maybe some background info might shed some light. If there is no logical explanation for their signification, such as illness, not knowing them at all, a secretive relationship, homosexuality, etc. and also Mars's influence, then I honestly would not be alone in the same room with them without getting to know them much better first.

Overall, I don't see this chart recommending or suggesting a healthy relationship with this person.
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amphitrite



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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanit3333 wrote:
The 12th house emphasis is really strange here. Venus is sort of what I see as the subject matter and she is exaulted yet besieged in the 12th. Then the quesited is in the heart of a bad sun in the 12th. Are they ill? Do they have mental health issues? The south node on the 12th house line is also emphasizing something. I think there is something odd about this person. To me it isn't even a question of whether they like you or not but more so I wonder if you should be aware of the type of person they might be or something they are not sharing with you somehow. Perhaps it is just showing disappointment for you but to me it just seems rather odd how emphasized the 12th is. Maybe you feel like you can never get close to them but I wonder if you know them at all (hence the idealist/dreamy Moon in Pisces too). Normally I would think the Sun represents them being with someone else, and that may be the case, but it seems like it might be something else here, especially since Mercury debilitated can often be a liar and here it is in the 12th in a sign of Saturn, showing something secretive or unknown about them and Saturnian energies are generally not very easy, particularly in the 12th - to me the symbolism could even point towards deviant behavior. The Moon is also translating the light of a square from Mars to Jupiter. This is the same Mars that is next afflicting Venus in the 12th, so I just don't see this as positive at all.

Maybe some background info might shed some light. If there is no logical explanation for their signification, such as illness, not knowing them at all, a secretive relationship, homosexuality, etc. and also Mars's influence, then I honestly would not be alone in the same room with them without getting to know them much better first.

Overall, I don't see this chart recommending or suggesting a healthy relationship with this person.


Thank you for replying to my thread, Tanit3333.


I also noticed the 12th house emphasis, as every time I cast a question for X [in general; not just love matters & especially not relating to me] his significator always shows up in the 12th house! Without fail, it has showed in the 12th house yet again.

In his nativity, his Ascendant lord is in the 12th, so I'm not surprised horary constantly resonates with that position.


They do have a significant other, however they constantly step out of that relationship and they do not take them seriously. Yes, X is a intensely secretive and private person but it's understandable considering his position. They do struggle with drug addiction, I am not sure of any mental illness or deviancy outside of promiscuity and infidelity.



I do like them though. As they are still a sweet, hard working, and charming individual who hides those aspects of his life well. I don't know anything beyond that. Yes, our connection with each other is vague. We have mutual friends; so I know what I know about them, but they are an extremely busy person. Though I would like to get to know them better and connect with them; whether that be through a romantic relationship or just a friendship.
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes. Thank you for making sense of the signification. To me it looks like a mutually toxic relationship and maybe something abnormal behind closed doors, such as abuse or weird roles.

I think the horary is strongly cautioning you to keep a distance. I have never seen a chart that looked like this before in horary, beyond maybe something in a criminal's natal chart. I once saw a physically abusive boyfriend and was right about that but the querent didn't listen to me and it did get to that point. I also saw a suicidal quesited but that was also different. Here it doesn't look quite as obvious as that, but more overt but even more so negative in a way, such as having serious psychological impact on you.

He could be sexually deviant as well and that is especially why I caution you to keep a safe distance.
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn, well I see. Thank you. I'll definitely take note of this and update you back in a year.
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, please keep me posted.

I am curious to see his natal chart to get a better picture. If you would like to share, feel free to post it or PM me. I am busy with grad school but might still be able to take a quick gander.

Also, perhaps someone was/is(?) a drug addict and is sexually promiscuous in relationships already tells you some things about him that are not good. Do you have Pisces in your chart like this horary?
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Thumbs up I'll send it through your pms
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't finished looking at it but, honestly, I think it is worth sharing with others. Venus is besieged in his natal too!!! Astrology is bizarre, I tell you. The odds of this happening are rare. Venus is not even besieged very often. Shocked
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Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright. Posted Leery



I just noticed that too. His Venus is also in a Saturn term with a conjunction to a malefic. His Sun and Moon catches my eye the most though.

EDIT: Oh, there is a mutual reception between Mercury and Venus in the chart.
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without aspect, reception is not very useful, especially when the receiving planet is itself debilitated (in the 8th). Mercury as a 7th house ruler is within aspect of Neptune and Mercury-Neptune types are good at lying. Venus is also in fall. Mars in the 7th square Uranus is also adding to my uncomfortable feeling about this person and would point towards the potential for violence against a domestic partner. There is volatility with that aspect especially on an angle and his emotions may be unstable when angry. Even if you ignored the fact that Venus is under siege, which shows how he relates to women and this pointing towards possible abuse, he has a lot of indications of being unlikey to have a stable relationship and needs things his way.

Moon in the 6th square Pluto in the 8th seems like his partnerships would probably involve codependency on the drug habit or other things.

We also see an emphasis on a badly placed Sun in both cases: in detriment in horary and in fall here (and the beams on the 7th house ruler in the natal). In modern astrology they would say the person struggles with self worth or identity, but classically it can show a sense of entitlement, arrogance, and possibly using others in some way. In the 8th he likely deals with a lot of internal struggles, and add ruler in the 12th we also see again a very private and secretive person. The ascendant cannot see those houses so planets there tend to work against the person, so he may be his own worst enemy and may struggle with feelings of hatred for himself even, since there is nothing to mitigate these influences, and the 8th and 12th placements are touching one another. The asc ruler trines that difficult Sun.

He certainly is likely to be charming, funny and attractive (maybe sexy?) though. He would be hard working, meticulous and good with his hands. Maybe a fastidious appearance and strict health and exercise habit that makes him more physically pleasing to women. Also likely has some depth to him but there is something quite dark in there.
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