13 by james_m waybread, i was hoping you'd stop the non astro conversation.. i mentioned it would be better to take it up via pm, but clearly this approach hasn't interested you to date.. as an aside, i sent a pm to you a few years ago here on skyscript that you still haven't read!!!. do you know how to access the private messages? it appears you are unfamiliar with this special feature of skyscript... check it out! in your mass consumption of the msm, here is something you might want to ponder on.. - https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ thanks for your latest link from the astrology site.. i agree with the top comment from the admin on discussing mundane astro, and controversial characters in general - assange being a very polarizing person at this moment in the news spin.. as for the july 2018 new yorker link, i repeat - where is the proof for this? it is fine to make statements, but they need to be backed up with hard proof... i have seen none to date... ->Russian intelligence gave WikiLeaks the e-mails that it hacked from the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta" <--... no proof necessary, just say it and people are supposed to accept it without question? this is really why it gets tedious with these non astrological back and forths.. and it's why i ask you once again to have the conversation with me via the private message feature of skyscript... as for the astrology, i think the 3pm chart is the most likely chart for a number of reasons.. i also think it more likely that the moon is in the 12th and that it also rules the natal cancer sun found in the 8th in this chart.. this would put julians sun-moon in the 8-12th house combo which i think is very fitting.. the solar return for 2019 looks like a new beginning, as indeed it makes sense that it would be given the major change in his status since being removed from the equador embassy in london... a new moon is almost exact for his solar return using the 3pm birth time... it is also a new beginning if using profections as this is a return to sag ascendant profection year which highlights the position of jupiter in the 2019 solar return and the position of jupiter natally... in the solar return for 2019 jupiter and venus are on the angles, which is by and large favourable, but it is muted given the square aspects to neptune as well... being held in captivity is very much a 12th house and neptune theme as i see it.. so, the optimism one might have for assange here has to be muted given the overall set up.. without an accurate time for assange, the most important data to be gotten off the chart - that of the angles - is subject to serious question.. however, when looking at the solar arc directions to the 3pm chart for assange, which would apply in general to a day chart for assange - the sun-uranus square will be hitting his natal jupiter in the next 1-2 years... jupiter in this particular chart is in scorpio.. overall i see this as net positive... how much am i reading into this, i am uncertain... but that is what i think here may 1st 2019... and finally - i did look at the 7th harmonic off the 3pm chart.. did you have something specific to say about it??
14 by Tom I like the 3:00 PM chart, too even though I possess the astrologer's distrust of "on-the-hour" birth times. Lord 1 in 12, the house of secrets, is too good to ignore. Or if we prefer "self-undoing" for the 12th, that describes his current situation pretty well as does imprisonment. Moon, lady of the 9th house of foreign affairs is also in 12. Saturn in his triplicity on the 7th tells us his enemies are pretty strong. I do not, however, think we can find "hero or villain" in the chart. In Assange's case that is pure value judgment made by others. Some people think he is a self-righteous, cowardly, boob, who puts people in danger for his own ego gratification; he thinks he is performing noble work and saving the world from itself. I don't know that the chart can tell us which is correct. I don't know his feelings about astrology, but in his place, I would be concerned about the Sun, ruler of the MC, in the 8th
15 by waybread Yes, James, I do know how to access PMs. The last one I am showing from you is dated 2016, on chart rectification. Maybe your PM didn't come through. By all means, send me another PM if you wish, on this or any other topic. I don't see the need, but if you do, that's fine. I also note that it takes two to tango re political disagreements on the merits of Assange, WikiLeaks, or the mainstream media. (Who don't all agree on him, incidentally-- you might start reading them. You'll find a wide diversity of information and opinion.) I think you're fine with including your own non-astrological material, or that of others, provided it supports your own perspective. The New Yorker author conducted extensive interviews with Assange himself. Look: if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck..... Your links were short on absolute proof of no collaboration, so far as that goes. But apparently you're fine, either way, with a foreign national trying to swing a democratic election in the USA: you can't argue against the timing of WikiLeaks' email dumps. Here are some more factoids about Assange's nativity that might interest you. I wondered what might account for his iconoclastic, larger-than-life public persona, so I looked at declination. I looked for out-of-bounds planets, but he doesn't have any. This suggests that he's more conventional than I anticipated. According to David Cochrane, the more out-of-bounds a planet is, the less constrained it is by social norms. Assange does have some really interesting parallels and contra-parallels. These are treated like conjunctions or oppositions, respectively. He's got sun, Mercury, and Venus parallel at 23 degrees north. He's also got moon, Mars, Jupiter, and Neptune parallel at 18 degrees south: contra-parallel Saturn at 18 degrees north. His only planet not bound up in one of these configurations is Uranus, at a tame 3 degrees south. These declinations heighten a sense of real internal polarization, notably with the radix chart's 7th house Saturn opposite Ascendant, Jupiter, and Neptune. Saturn is the odd planet out in both cases, and the one Assange is least likely to identify with personally. Saturn symbolizing negative authority figures in the house of open enemies seems like a highly plausible interpretation.
16 by james_m tom - thanks for chiming in! waybread, when an article like the newyorker starts off with the question "When did Russian intelligence give WikiLeaks the e-mails that it hacked from the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, and how did it transmit them? " that is akin to me asking you a ''when did you first start beating your wife'' type question... it is a loaded question, isn't it? surely you are capable of seeing this much... also, an indictment is not the same as fact.... regarding the quotes of assange, it doesn't say how he got the e mails does it? and yet you appear to want to swallow what the indictment and authors musings are - russia gave them to him...and the mueller investigation wasn't interested in interviewing assange to ask him this question was it?? skip all the other possibilities and go straight to the ''russia done it meme'''.. no - i think you need to keep pompeos recent comment in mind when digesting the msm fodder you say you love to chew on... ‘We Lied, Cheated and Stole’: United States Secretary of State and former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director (2017 - 2018), Mike Pompeo, admitted to an audience from Texas A&M University on April 15,2019 that the agency especially trains employees to “lie, cheat and steal.??? and yet, there are countless folks that are unable or unwilling to entertain alternative possibilities in spite of this, yourself included... i did a post on assange in the sidereal forum... in fact, i continue to find the sidereal data very convincing... you can check it out.. i haven't made any political commentary in it either! http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10497 some reading material.. https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/30/v ... ns-us-all/
17 by waybread Tom, I take your point about Assange's personality being whatever people want it to be, using the horoscope as their evidence. In modern astrology, this would be explained by Neptune conjunct his ascendant. With Neptune, we don't get reality, we get illusions and disillusionment. With the "good Julian" getting so much attention on this thread, I thought that the opposite side needed some air time, to create some sense of balance. I would enjoy reading a traditional interpretation of Assange's chart OK, James-- so much for your not wanting me to post a non-astrological discussion. The trouble with far-left and far-right people who won't follow the mainstream media is that they remain unaware of the difficult work that war correspondents, political reporters, and investigative journalists are actually doing. Other mainstream outlets would be something like Amnesty International. The trouble with MSM-avoiders is that they don't seem to appreciate the huge differences between, say, Fox News and MSNBC. Oh, and Pravda is a mainstream outlet, as well. Combining these helps create a sense of balance. Oftentimes MSM-avoiders are also uninformed of the long history of US courts' liberal interpretation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. It is illegal to hack into a computer and steal information. That's theft. If no bigger issue is at stake with disseminating stolen information (like people's lives,) it is legal for media to publish it. Which the mainstream media repeatedly do, concerning WikiLeaks. Kind of ironic, but in the USA, that's how it works. You can't steal information, but if you did, you can publish it. This is why, as of now, Assange is wanted on only one charge of computer hacking in the United States. More charges might develop, but right now, his trying to help Chelsea Manning crack a password is it. If Julian Assange is your hero, I'm not going to dissuade you. I merely need to state for the record the position of millions of ordinary Americans-- who had no involvement with US interventions overseas, and who never supported them, but who now-- thanks in part to WikiLeaks' dumps so close to the 2016 elections-- are dealing with Donald Trump as president. I think he's a mad man doing terrible things to my birth country, but you may approve of him. Even if, for the sake of argument, we take your point that WikiLeaks did not collaborate with Russian operatives on this, we still have the problem of its efforts to swing a Democratic election. This type of intervention is sort of one of the dislikes Assange has of the US. Kind of ironic. Vladimir Putin is happy that Trump is in the White House. By all means, James, PM me on this if you wish to carry on with Assange collaborating with Russian operatives.
18 by james_m waybread, you've wanted to continue here, as opposed to pm'ing me on any of itt.. that much is clear... your post is full of the same talking points that have been regurgitated 24/7 in the msm.. unfortunately even if a person was able to unplug from the msm, they'll be told about it ad nausea-um anyway, as you're showcasing here... so have the last word on all the same talking points that get endlessly repeated and that have been drilled into your head.. it isn't going to change the fact that others will see it exactly opposite or differently.. as for the neptune rising and good verses bad julian - beauty and ugliness is in the eye of the beholder and worth remembering... as to what it does or doesn't have to do with the person, remains to be seen.. the opposite side you offer is the one that is peddled 24/7 in the msm.. so really you aren't offering anything novel - in fact, it is just the opposite.. but oh, do continue and i will continue likewise.. here is some astro for you - mercury square pluto.. picking up the vibe yet?? from 2010 - and still true.. Wikileak's Main Aim Is To Reveal Hypocrisy https://www.moonofalabama.org/2010/12/w ... crisy.html
20 by waybread James, stooping to repetitive personal insults about my intelligence doesn't make your argument. It merely shows that you're out of debate arrows in your quiver. I spent most of my working life having to engage in critical thinking as part of my employment. So I am bemused by your implication that I am one of the sheeple. I'm afraid you've got a fallacy of over-generalization or straw man tactic going on about mainstream media. Which is easy to do if you seldom follow it. What WikiLeaks says about itself and how it actually operates are two different matters. That's not unusual. Maybe that's Neptunian. BTW, the full redacted Mueller report is available at https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics ... index.html The material on WikiLeaks start on p. 52. Assange himself wrote in 2015, during Clinton's presidential campaign: "We believe it would be much better for GOP [Republicans] to win...Dems+media+liberals would then form a block to reign in their worst qualities.... With Hillary in charge GOP will be pushing for her worst qualities...dems+media+neoliberals will be mute....She's a bright, well connected, sadistic sociopath." So there's no doubt about WikiLeaks as a foreign actor in American politics. This wasn't just some kind of free speech issue in their dump of DNC emails. Clinton nevertheless did win a majority of the popular vote in 2016, but not the electoral college. Assange put his political beliefs above the will of the American people. I cannot imagine Canadians accepting this kind of planned interference by a foreign national in Canadian elections. Mercury square Pluto, indeed.
22 by Tanit3333 This isn't my forum area to moderate but I am locking this thread. Please remember to try to be respectful of one another in the forums. There is a competitive Mars-Jupiter opp currently that is bringing disagreements between people.