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astromythtarotbyjc wrote:I think venus being in the 7th house does signify there's likely someone, and likley after I ended the FWB he went to find another person. Since Mars is in Sag and 3/4th house, It maybe someone he knows and travels to see.

If I use 6th (Aquarius) house as 7th house then his 12th house is would be 5th hiding things and if I use Pisces as his 7th house then his 12th house is Aquarius with the sun/moon(me) hiding.

We still talk but he's been very vague lately and I'm wondering if it means I'm being hidden from someone he's talking too or something.
Unless you use whole signs for horary, 6th house would be his 12th and 6th start at around 26 capri. Saturn is not in 12th, but in his 11th. Aquarius would never be the 7th sign from ascendant sign if using whole sign nor would it ever be 12th from 7th sign. So I wouldn't use the method you are using since doesn't even align with whole sign rules. But to each astrologer.

Mars and venus are in square. Mars doesn't have any concerns for venus since venus could co-rule him being in 7th. Venus has some interest in mars because of being in triplicity. Even if mars is someone mars is peregrines, no interest in venus, and angular.

Maybe try to ask him indirectly if he is dating like when you two talk...talk about life. I'm a very direct person so not amazing at being subtle...but could also straight up say to him, "you been more quiet than usual, how are you? Anything interesting going on in your life"

I still don't think there is a strong indication he is involved with anyone right now. But, I have little practice with questions of "Is (man) involved with someone?"

At end of day...this could also not be valid chart because there could be a level of pure curiosity. Though it looks like it may be valid. The chart is get up in late degree show that the situation may be reaching a conclusion soon. What happens if he is involved with someone? Even if you went back to him in a FwB way, it is not an exclusive arrangement and he could still play field? What would you gain out of obtaining this information?

Maybe answer those questions first personally and then the chart might make sense. I really don't think there is anything substantial going on right now. Flirting is flirting...doesn't actually have to mean anything to him. But there is a chance mars shows there is a person of interest to him right now though mars doesn't look that interested in him.

You are debilitated in the chart which could be a warning enough that you won't see the situation clearly.
Sorry that I can't be of more help.
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Aquarius would never be the 7th sign from ascendant sign if using whole sign nor would it ever be 12th from 7th sign. So I wouldn't use the method you are using since doesn't even align with whole sign rules. But to each astrologer.

Whatever the asc is I always assign as the 1st/ 7th would then be Aquarius...I had asked a question a while back about my confusion with the 7th house and what..and the best explanation was from Yair regardless of whole sign or not.
The 7th house is always 180 degrees apart from your ascendant (which, by the way, is the same as your rising sign, ascendant meaning exactly this in Latin).


With me, whenever I ask a question Its really because I am at my wits end with pure confusion...so definitely valid. if he's involved with someone else...that is my "end of the matter" I have no desire to be with someone who wants to be with another and picks them over me...and me still want sleep w/them...i would lose my mind thinking of how he touched that person or whats he's done with that person..i'd rather live alone for the rest of life then to ever be a 2nd in waiting to a man..plus why would anyone want someone like that.
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There is a helpful article on cheating horaries in pdf format called "is my husband having an affair?" Steven Birchfield A.M.A, ©October 2008. I don't have time to post anything because my break is over but Moon separating from querent and 7th lord not aspecting anything would support not being interested in someone else. I do tend to agree with Lilly that Venus in the 7th can indicate another woman though in a male's house.

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Thanks. T He's a male.

With venus in the 7th house sextiling Jupiter...especially in the 5th house, I don't think he has one person he is particularly interested, but is enjoying company of many women or several dates?
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No actually not. I had written a chart analysis earlier but upon a closer look I decided that I should not post my delineation in a rush as I found some other contradictory testimonies.I wished to delete my entire post but since we cant delete posts, I just edited out the chart analysis

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I found the other chart very difficult to read also and I think that is where the confusion on house placements originated. I even thought Mercury was in Pisces in the 7th for a second before I realized that was impossible.

It is difficult to give feedback on a chart without a question. Is the question regarding whether this person is seeing someone else? I do find it odd that almost everything is in aversion to the ascendant, which suggests that the querent does not have a good grasp or control of the situation. Is it possible you are misunderstanding his feelings towards you since he is a coworker and people who work together can become friends but does not necessarily mean romance? The fact that he is Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 5th might suggest he is someone who is not good at romance in general or does not want a serious relationship because he does not like to relinquish control in that way although he may enjoy having control over others.

One thing the article I referenced also mentions is looking at triplicity lords of the ascendant and Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are triplicity lords with Jupiter and aspecting Venus in the 7th.
Next we are to look at the primary lord of the triplicity of the Ascendant, which is
Saturn.32 Unlike Lilly, however, Bonatti tells us to look at not only the primary ruler,
but at all of the triplicity rulers. If either the lord of the 7th or the Moon were joining one
of these rulers especially if they were joining one of these 3 triplicity rulers and
separating from the lord of the Ascendant, then it was a clear testimony that the man
was in love with another other than the wife. Neither the lord of the 7th or the Moon is
joined to one of these 3 rulers (Saturn, Mercury and Jupiter). In fact, the lord of the 7th is
separating from 2 of these three rulers; i.e. Saturn and Jupiter. This would tend to say
that any previous relationship is finished in the past and over. And because the Lord of
the 7th is void of course, then as they tell us, he has no one!
Here the planet Venus in the 7th separates from the triplicity lord Jupiter, which Venus could be similar to the 7th lord as a co-ruler but it also tends to represent women in horary. It gives that light to a malefic (Mars) in the 4th house end of the matter. Overall, this chart seems heavily malefic, IMO, which suggests a difficult situation that is likely to bring pain and trouble for the querent. Even Jupiter is with SN and is in fall, so what would normally be a beneficial planet is rendered less positive and suggests pain and loss. The angles being fixed can also indicate lack of change in the current situation. It is hard to make heads or tails of everything without a question though. I don't normally assume Venus in the 7th in a male's chart is another woman unless that was something asked about. In cases where Venus is exalted in the 7th in a romance horary that can be positive for the querent because they may be admired by the quesited but if you are asking about other women then it takes on different context.

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Serene wrote:No actually not. I had written a chart analysis earlier but upon a closer look I decided that I should not post my delineation in a rush as I found some other contradictory testimonies.I wished to delete my entire post but since we cant delete posts, I just edited out the chart analysis
Gotcha,

Thanks!
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Tanit3333 wrote:I found the other chart very difficult to read also and I think that is where the confusion on house placements originated. I even thought Mercury was in Pisces in the 7th for a second before I realized that was impossible.

It is difficult to give feedback on a chart without a question. Is the question regarding whether this person is seeing someone else? I do find it odd that almost everything is in aversion to the ascendant, which suggests that the querent does not have a good grasp or control of the situation. Is it possible you are misunderstanding his feelings towards you since he is a coworker and people who work together can become friends but does not necessarily mean romance? The fact that he is Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 5th might suggest he is someone who is not good at romance in general or does not want a serious relationship because he does not like to relinquish control in that way although he may enjoy having control over others.

One thing the article I referenced also mentions is looking at triplicity lords of the ascendant and Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are triplicity lords with Jupiter and aspecting Venus in the 7th.
Next we are to look at the primary lord of the triplicity of the Ascendant, which is
Saturn.32 Unlike Lilly, however, Bonatti tells us to look at not only the primary ruler,
but at all of the triplicity rulers. If either the lord of the 7th or the Moon were joining one
of these rulers especially if they were joining one of these 3 triplicity rulers and
separating from the lord of the Ascendant, then it was a clear testimony that the man
was in love with another other than the wife. Neither the lord of the 7th or the Moon is
joined to one of these 3 rulers (Saturn, Mercury and Jupiter). In fact, the lord of the 7th is
separating from 2 of these three rulers; i.e. Saturn and Jupiter. This would tend to say
that any previous relationship is finished in the past and over. And because the Lord of
the 7th is void of course, then as they tell us, he has no one!
Here the planet Venus in the 7th separates from the triplicity lord Jupiter, which Venus could be similar to the 7th lord as a co-ruler but it also tends to represent women in horary. It gives that light to a malefic (Mars) in the 4th house end of the matter. Overall, this chart seems heavily malefic, IMO, which suggests a difficult situation that is likely to bring pain and trouble for the querent. Even Jupiter is with SN and is in fall, so what would normally be a beneficial planet is rendered less positive and suggests pain and loss. The angles being fixed can also indicate lack of change in the current situation. It is hard to make heads or tails of everything without a question though. I don't normally assume Venus in the 7th in a male's chart is another woman unless that was something asked about. In cases where Venus is exalted in the 7th in a romance horary that can be positive for the querent because they may be admired by the quesited but if you are asking about other women then it takes on different context.

I did end up asking him if he was seeing other people and he said no(that was the question)....but we are fighting about other things, and you are 100% about his not wanting to lose control.

I'm having such a hard time understand triplicities..I understand the planets assigned and why they are assigned but i was looking at skycript's examples of triplicity but were for natal charts and not horary. Are there samples charts that show triplicities on here?

Thanks all for the help! I'll use astro from now on to post charts.
AMT

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astromythtarotbyjc wrote:
Tanit3333 wrote:I found the other chart very difficult to read also and I think that is where the confusion on house placements originated. I even thought Mercury was in Pisces in the 7th for a second before I realized that was impossible.

It is difficult to give feedback on a chart without a question. Is the question regarding whether this person is seeing someone else? I do find it odd that almost everything is in aversion to the ascendant, which suggests that the querent does not have a good grasp or control of the situation. Is it possible you are misunderstanding his feelings towards you since he is a coworker and people who work together can become friends but does not necessarily mean romance? The fact that he is Saturn conjunct Pluto in the 5th might suggest he is someone who is not good at romance in general or does not want a serious relationship because he does not like to relinquish control in that way although he may enjoy having control over others.

One thing the article I referenced also mentions is looking at triplicity lords of the ascendant and Sun, Saturn and Jupiter are triplicity lords with Jupiter and aspecting Venus in the 7th.
Next we are to look at the primary lord of the triplicity of the Ascendant, which is
Saturn.32 Unlike Lilly, however, Bonatti tells us to look at not only the primary ruler,
but at all of the triplicity rulers. If either the lord of the 7th or the Moon were joining one
of these rulers especially if they were joining one of these 3 triplicity rulers and
separating from the lord of the Ascendant, then it was a clear testimony that the man
was in love with another other than the wife. Neither the lord of the 7th or the Moon is
joined to one of these 3 rulers (Saturn, Mercury and Jupiter). In fact, the lord of the 7th is
separating from 2 of these three rulers; i.e. Saturn and Jupiter. This would tend to say
that any previous relationship is finished in the past and over. And because the Lord of
the 7th is void of course, then as they tell us, he has no one!
Here the planet Venus in the 7th separates from the triplicity lord Jupiter, which Venus could be similar to the 7th lord as a co-ruler but it also tends to represent women in horary. It gives that light to a malefic (Mars) in the 4th house end of the matter. Overall, this chart seems heavily malefic, IMO, which suggests a difficult situation that is likely to bring pain and trouble for the querent. Even Jupiter is with SN and is in fall, so what would normally be a beneficial planet is rendered less positive and suggests pain and loss. The angles being fixed can also indicate lack of change in the current situation. It is hard to make heads or tails of everything without a question though. I don't normally assume Venus in the 7th in a male's chart is another woman unless that was something asked about. In cases where Venus is exalted in the 7th in a romance horary that can be positive for the querent because they may be admired by the quesited but if you are asking about other women then it takes on different context.

I did end up asking him if he was seeing other people and he said no(that was the question)....but we are fighting about other things, and you are 100% about his not wanting to lose control.

I'm having such a hard time understand triplicities..I understand the planets assigned and why they are assigned but i was looking at skycript's examples of triplicity but were for natal charts and not horary. Are there samples charts that show triplicities on here?

Thanks all for the help! I'll use astro from now on to post charts.
Thank you much for the update!!

This helps much with learning!!

so venus did co-rule him. Maybe the mars showing you confronting him about the possibility of other women.
venus (other woman) square mars (a confrontation)
Just some alternative thoughts.
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