13 by johannes susato skyrack wrote: However skyrack wrote: PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites was so descriptive of what happened on the field of play. Moreover that trine aspect was also testimony (although not the final Moon aspect) in the next game where it was exact but failed to repeat the destuction of the favourites. Nevertheless this combustion is no testimony here, because its orb is limited in SA* to only 2 degrees! And why is the trine aspect of the Moon not the final aspect of the Moon? ______________________ * SA is Sports Astrology, Events Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:37 am
14 by skyrack Frawley wrote:Conjunctions only, within a couple of degrees at most. That is in the context of Nodes aspects to/from Significators and PoF. Do you have a specific reference to combust being limited to 2 degrees? That trine was not the last aspect in the next game: Belgium v Portugal. Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:07 am
15 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:Frawley wrote:Conjunctions only, within a couple of degrees at most. That is in the context of Nodes aspects to/from Significators and PoF. Do you have a specific reference to combust being limited to 2 degrees That trine was not the last aspect in the next game: Belgium v Portugal. With regard to quotations it would be of help to know whether you work with the book SA itself or only from your own papers or scripts? Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:09 am
16 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:Spain v Croatia 1.60 6.50 Mars & Mercury v Venus & Jupiter Moon Jupiter 0 Applicative +03:07:02 - negative PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites - negative Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +01:56:32 - negative This should be interesting... Thanks again for your judgment that I don't want to spoil, but the application of the Moon to Jupiter is over the sign border, so it doesn't work, and the com- bustion of the POF ist also beyond orbs. Nevertheless it is still intersting to see, if the opposition of Saturn can make Spain loose this match. Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:56 pm
17 by skyrack Sorry for the poor quote - with no reference as to its source, which was taken from my notes. Frawley wrote:The house placement of the Nodes doesn't seem significant, so for instance the North Node on the Ascendant doesn't favour the favourites. But significators falling on the Nodes will be helped or harmed. This is a powerful testimony. In this context, Fortuna can be taken as belonging to the favourite: Fortuna on the North Node helps the favourite; on the South Node it helps the underdog. Conjunctions only, within a couple of degrees at most. p89 I have now tracked down a pdf copy of Sports Astrology and you are quite right: Frawley wrote:Combustion must be kept much tighter than usual. We can say that any significator within 2 degrees of the Sun is harmed. p90 johannes susato wrote:Thanks again for your judgment that I don't want to spoil, but the application of the Moon to Jupiter is over the sign border, so it doesn't work, and the com- bustion of the POF ist also beyond orbs. Spoil away! I am here to learn and thanks for taking time to find flaws in my interpretation. Yes- the Moon Jupiter aspect doesn't work. I will add that check to my script along with the tight combust orb. Interesting games tonight. Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:53 pm
18 by johannes susato Now, as I see that you too have the SA at hand, I could answer questions by quoting only the pages, for example. Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:03 pm
19 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:England v Germany 2.45 2.90 Mars & Mercury v Venus & Jupiter 1. Antiscion of Lord 1 inside 7th house favours the underdog. 2. Moon Mercury Antiscion 120 Exact +00:09:30 3. Moon Mercury 90 Applicative +05:41:06 - positive 4. Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +01:16:09 - afflicts the favourites The Moon's last aspect is to Mercury (6 degree orb allowed as extra time is playable). Will this outweigh the negative testimonies? I think not. 1. agreed 2. the Moon is too late by 9 minutes 3. agreed 4. orb only 1 degree (analogy to the new planets, p.90 And I would even add the Moon's application to the sextile of the Antiscion of Mars with an orb of 6.25 which is supported by the time range a penalty shoot-out could bring about. And so England would be the winner, provided they are really the favourites. Quote Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:40 pm
20 by skyrack johannes susato wrote:skyrack wrote:England v Germany 2.45 2.90 Mars & Mercury v Venus & Jupiter 1. Antiscion of Lord 1 inside 7th house favours the underdog. 2. Moon Mercury Antiscion 120 Exact +00:09:30 3. Moon Mercury 90 Applicative +05:41:06 - positive 4. Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +01:16:09 - afflicts the favourites The Moon's last aspect is to Mercury (6 degree orb allowed as extra time is playable). Will this outweigh the negative testimonies? I think not. 1. agreed 2. the Moon is too late by 9 minutes 3. agreed 4. orb only 1 degree (analogy to the new planets, p.90 And I would even add the Moon's application to the sextile of the Antiscion of Mars with an orb of 6.25 which is supported by the time range a penalty shoot-out could bring about. And so England would be the winner, provided they are really the favourites. 2. You are right. 4. Agreed. I need to stick to a 1 degree orb for Saturn aspects. if 5 degrees covers 90 minutes, and 1 degree covers 30 minutes of extra time, I would allow 20 minutes only to cover the length of time for a penalty shoot out. The odds I supply are frpm Bet365 which is an English based bookmaker, A German bookmaker may well have had Germany as favourites. But if money talks then England were the narrow favourites. Quote Wed Jun 30, 2021 5:38 am
21 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:johannes susato wrote:skyrack wrote:England v Germany 2.45 2.90 Mars & Mercury v Venus & Jupiter 1. Antiscion of Lord 1 inside 7th house favours the underdog. 2. Moon Mercury Antiscion 120 Exact +00:09:30 3. Moon Mercury 90 Applicative +05:41:06 - positive 4. Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +01:16:09 - afflicts the favourites The Moon's last aspect is to Mercury (6 degree orb allowed as extra time is playable). Will this outweigh the negative testimonies? I think not. 1. agreed 2. the Moon is too late by 9 minutes 3. agreed 4. orb only 1 degree (analogy to the new planets, p.90 And I would even add the Moon's application to the sextile of the Antiscion of Mars with an orb of 6.25 which is supported by the time range a penalty shoot-out could bring about. And so England would be the winner, provided they are really the favourites. 2. You are right. 4. Agreed. I need to stick to a 1 degree orb for Saturn aspects. if 5 degrees covers 90 minutes, and 1 degree covers 30 minutes of extra time, I would allow 20 minutes only to cover the length of time for a penalty shoot out. The odds I supply are frpm Bet365 which is an English based bookmaker, A German bookmaker may well have had Germany as favourites. But if money talks then England were the narrow favourites. Hi Skyrack, at first I have to correct myself: the orb is even 10 minutes more, i.e. 6°35´. Nevertheless I stick to my postulation of this large orb. I think your time frame is a little bit too short: They play not only 90 minutes, but more, because there are always interruptions, let's say 5 minutes in each half (= 100 minutes). This time is added as stoppage time (= 110 minutes). And this is why Frawly gives 5° for football matches and allows 1° degree more, "if extra time is possible", p.85, so 6 degrees. With extra time and penalty shoot-out the match can last nearly 1 hour longer than those nearly two hours above, so in my opinion there should be no discussion about (6 degrees) +20 or +35 minutes. At least the English have won, and there must be some - and good! - testimonies against their rather negative, their captivity in the German angle. Quote Thu Jul 01, 2021 8:24 am
22 by johannes susato To make the long story of my above reasoning (today at 8:24 am) short: S(ports A(strology), p. 97: Seven degrees is the absolute limit of motion we can afford the Moon in a football match Quote Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:00 pm
24 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:Spain v Switzerland 1.66 5.50 Jupiter & Venus v Mercury & Mars Moon Mercury 60 Exact +00:05:44 - negative Agreed, but now the opposition between Mars and Saturn could/should(?) work. So we had a positive and a possible negative. Quote Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:10 pm