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Tanit3333 wrote:
What are possible aspects in the natal chart indicate you likely have to avoid vaccination?
If doctors ruled by 7th, then probably if Mars ruling 7th and inflicted?
I had an allergic reaction to the mRNA vaccines and I have Moon conjunct Neptune in the 6th house. I have allergies to many medications. I am still vaccinated though

As far as the science goes, again this isn't the platform for it. Everyone thinks they are an expert these days. I hold 3 degrees in microbiology and work in the field. If I want to discuss or be schooled in microbiology I don't do it in an astrology forum.

Michael, how nice of you to respond to my statements but to completely ignore all of the incorrect statements involving conspiracy theories and an egregious misunderstanding of immunology, etc. previously posted.

Thanks for not keeping this going. :-sk
Tanit
An interesting question just came across, let say someone officially don't have exemptions against vaccination and your occupation mandatory required vaccination(like work in hospital), so you risking to become unemployed if not complying. Than person getting complication in time and assuming that's because of vaccination.
How astrologically that situation might look like?
Being employed is 6th and 10th house (well if looking for new job typically 10th house involved?) and your health condition is also 6th house.
Are any malefic planets like Mars or Saturn present in 6th house might imply on such combination? Well Mars in 6th in "house of joy", but also indication of acute health problems sometimes.
Can you somehow elaborate this situation astrologically?

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Well, Tanit, my wife has Moon-Mars conjunction in 6th and she is strongly oppose vaccination, had allergic reactions and exemptions by physician from vaccination.
You having Moon-Neptune in 6th, history of allergy but decided to be vaccinated. The nature of Neptune, you know, some time not realistically to perceive...
The irony though is that transiting Mercury now at my natal Neptune:)

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You having Moon-Neptune in 6th, history of allergy but decided to be vaccinated. The nature of Neptune, you know, some time not realistically to perceive...
As I also mentioned, I am susceptible to becoming very ill with respiratory pathogens, as I mentioned with the Saturn/Jupiter and 6th house/1st lord influences, so the risk of dying from COVID-19 was much greater. Allergic reactions can be managed with a physician but I go through a specialist who has decades of experience and credentials in the field of immunology rather than people who have Google degrees. There are also other options than the mRNA vaccines. In the US that would be J&J. Vaccines are life-saving and considered one of the top life-saving discoveries in human history, so I find it interesting how the focus of this thread has been on the negatives. One of fhe reasons I don't get pneumonia anymore is because I am vaccinated against the flu and pneumococcus. I would get bacterial pneumonia secondary to the flu. Perhaps this is Jupiter receiving my ascendant lord Moon via trine (help). Antibiotics have also saved my life. I have been on death's door at least twice from pneumonia. It also takes me many months to recover and I have lasting health issues from respiratory illnesses, as Saturn often does.

To answer a question about physicians, I don't think malefics influencing the 7th would be enough for someone to not want to be vaccinated. Again, I think this is a complicated issue. Could someone be distrustful of doctors with an afflicted 7th? Probably. But they could be distrustful of others in general too since it is the house of others in general and the house opposed to the 1st, meaning we look at it dead on and it reflects back to us. Often what we project is what we get back from that house.

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Tanit3333 wrote:
You having Moon-Neptune in 6th, history of allergy but decided to be vaccinated. The nature of Neptune, you know, some time not realistically to perceive...
As I also mentioned, I am susceptible to becoming very ill with respiratory pathogens, as I mentioned with the Saturn/Jupiter and 6th house/1st lord influences, so the risk of dying from COVID-19 was much greater. Allergic reactions can be managed with a physician but I go through a specialist who has decades of experience and credentials in the field of immunology rather than people who have Google degrees.
That's an interesting reply. So you admit that being vaccinated might be problematic for certain people (including yourself), even though in your case the benefits outweigh the risks. However, this might be different for others, and the question raised by the OP involves more than just politics, to be sure.

By the way, as far as I am concerned, I certainly don't pretend to have a degree (Google or otherwise) in microbiology - I only explored this discipline privately already in my elementary school days when yet another microscope was regularly on my Christmas wish list :D. That said, I started doing my homework soon after the pandemic was declared. So when you brought scientific information to the fore, I simply paid back in kind, referring to peer reviewed academic literature. Fair enough?

More importantly, I have been involved with alternative medicine for decades and co-founded a center uniting various kinds of practitioners back in the 90's. There I practised as a certified Bach Flower therapist and astrological adviser in close collaboration with a medical doctor for several years.

At any rate, this is an open discussion forum and your attempt to silence members expressing views that deviate from your own with reference to your academic degrees and status as a moderator was not cool. The discussion may have drifted a bit from the original question, but once a certain view has been voiced, especially by a staff member, other participants are entitled to respond as they wish, as long as they are keeping the forum rules.
There are also other options than the mRNA vaccines. In the US that would be J&J. Vaccines are life-saving and considered one of the top life-saving discoveries in human history, so I find it interesting how the focus of this thread has been on the negatives.
Well, part of the issue is that many astrologers and other kinds of alternative thinkers are Uranian individuals that don't take it well when their freedom of choice and self-determination is messed with by being pressured into unsolicited medical measures by so called authorities.
One of fhe reasons I don't get pneumonia anymore is because I am vaccinated against the flu and pneumococcus. I would get bacterial pneumonia secondary to the flu. Perhaps this is Jupiter receiving my ascendant lord Moon via trine (help). Antibiotics have also saved my life. I have been on death's door at least twice from pneumonia. It also takes me many months to recover and I have lasting health issues from respiratory illnesses, as Saturn often does.
May I ask, have you tried TCM? Homeopathy? Spagyrics?

I have been on death's door myself more than once and attribute it to the latter two methods that I am still around.

This is not to say that conventional medicine doesn't have its place, however, I think it's high time that people start looking more into naturopathic methods to keep or restore their health. The pandemic is giving a broad hint in this regard.
To answer a question about physicians, I don't think malefics influencing the 7th would be enough for someone to not want to be vaccinated. Again, I think this is a complicated issue. Could someone be distrustful of doctors with an afflicted 7th? Probably. But they could be distrustful of others in general too since it is the house of others in general and the house opposed to the 1st, meaning we look at it dead on and it reflects back to us. Often what we project is what we get back from that house.
Indeed, and this is true in general... We get back what we project.

Peace,

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Re: "At any rate, this is an open discussion forum and your attempt to silence members expressing views that deviate from your own with reference to your academic degrees and status as a moderator was not cool."

I also spotted that it was all bluster.

I decided not to argue one way or another, because it seemed to be some kind of official Skyscript position. ie. it wasn't clear from how it was posted that it was merely one person's whimsical opinion, since anyone that commented against it or questioned the precepts were categorized as gullible or right-wingers [still waiting for any statistical proof to justify the first ounce of name-calling] ;)

Above all, we have to remember that the "expert opinion" often called the "appeal to authority" is a LOGICAL FALLACY. "Experts" *OFTEN* have an axe to grind, and their desire to influence often finds them babbling ivory-tower ideas and wrong conclusions, but with a commanding tone

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Few words aside of astrology. Things look terrible out there. Everything is so politicized and violating basic human rights. Like the last news is that in Austria it's looming segregation against not vaccinated people, lockdown now is only for not vaccinated. Well, it looks like 80% of their vaccinated population don't mind...
That astrologically looks like by Saturn-Pluto-Neptune.

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Atlantean wrote:Re: "At any rate, this is an open discussion forum and your attempt to silence members expressing views that deviate from your own with reference to your academic degrees and status as a moderator was not cool."

I also spotted that it was all bluster.

I decided not to argue one way or another, because it seemed to be some kind of official Skyscript position. ie. it wasn't clear from how it was posted that it was merely one person's whimsical opinion, since anyone that commented against it or questioned the precepts were categorized as gullible or right-wingers [still waiting for any statistical proof to justify the first ounce of name-calling] ;)

Above all, we have to remember that the "expert opinion" often called the "appeal to authority" is a LOGICAL FALLACY. "Experts" *OFTEN* have an axe to grind, and their desire to influence often finds them babbling ivory-tower ideas and wrong conclusions, but with a commanding tone
Atlantean,

Skyscript has very few official positions, not even on astrology (except perhaps that there is such a thing to begin with :D) - as it is intended to be a place for open discussion, as I mentioned.

However, I too felt that Tannit's reply could be mistaken for the board taking some sort of authoritative stand on the topic; that's why I decided to chime in.

It is true that, as moderators, we can put the brakes on a thread if it becomes overly political in a one-sided (non-astrological) or condescending manner - but hardly right after having contributed to that kind of process ourselves. :brows

I feel that we as staff have the responsibility to tread extra carefully in this respect (regardless of personal opinion) especially in a time when expressing non-conformal views even in a factual and polite manner is increasingly seen as politically incorrect and offensive.

By the way, this development foreshadows what can be expected to happen when Pluto enters Aquarius - or joins the current Pluto/Neptune sextile by trine and sextile respectively, for that matter.

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Yuriy wrote:Few words aside of astrology. Things look terrible out there. Everything is so politicized and violating basic human rights. Like the last news is that in Austria it's looming segregation against not vaccinated people, lockdown now is only for not vaccinated. Well, it looks like 80% of their vaccinated population don't mind...
That astrologically looks like by Saturn-Pluto-Neptune.
Indeed. As of today, depending on where you live, you can effectively no longer enter a restaurant or movie theatre (Switzerland), a shopping center (France), a bus or train or even go to work (Italy) if it freaks you out having that stuff introduced into your body - or you are not allowed to travel to the country at all without it (USA)!

Who would have thought this kind of thing possible before 2020?
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i thought the purpose of this astrological forum was to discuss astrology???

i see a lot of talk that isn't astrological in nature... i think it is fair for tanit to question the flow of the conversation in relation to this being on an astrological forum...

i instinctively knew this thread would be problematic, and indeed it has and is...

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If I can add my personal approach to the pandemics as I have been sitting on both sides of the fence.

I have been raised on alternative medecine for the past 50 years and I am not a big fan of the 'modern approach' in medecine.
When the COVID broke out, my first reaction was, like everybody else, to evaluate the risk for 'my own health'.
Well I thought my approach with a good diet and sound living habits was enough to prevent me from getting the COVID.
And so far, I was right and still believe that this is essential to counteract the pandemic.
Yet, I have to admit that my approach was more PREVENTIVE than CURATIVE.

If we look at the last 3 conjunctions of Saturn-Pluto in the 20th century.

1914, the conjunction set up the stage for World War 1. They say that there were 20 million deaths and 21 million wounded.
1947, the conjunction saw the reshaping of many parts of the world, a ‘New World Order’, with the formation of Israel and the breaking up of India and Pakistan, the first year of a cold war between the Soviet Union and the US. All consequences we still live with today.
1982, the Saturn-Pluto conjunction saw the beginning of the AIDS epidemic for which we have no vaccines yet, just a therapy.

This is what history has teached us. Periods of hard and cold truths, emerging, eruption of global diseases, clashes, wars, and misunderstanding between people. Everybody seeing the difference as the enemy.

And then something struck my mind. What if I got vaccinated not just for 'myself' but for 'others'. Maybe the conjunction sextile to Neptune in Pisces brought this consideration in the movement. For when I understood that, even if I was healthy, I was still a vector of transmission of the disease, to those with debilitated or frailed conditions around me.
And that is when I got vaccinated. And I still believe that my preventive approach to health has been my best option during my whole life. But the fire broke out loose in the house and I had to lean on the curative side to help counteract the global effects of the disease. That was my small contribution. And I am surrounded by non-vaccinated people for which I respect their choice.

Now, we still have not resolved the clash between the vaccinated and the non-vaccinated. I hope we will be mature enough to raise above the monsters and not abandon our humanity.
Blessings!

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Ouramos I applaud your altruism, but it is my understanding that vaccination does not stop the spread of Covid, It benefits the vaccinated to have a milder illness but it will spread at the same rate as the unvaccinated. I do hope Jupiters ingress into Pisces will allow truth to be more prevalent or even the nodes to lose the sign based squares to Neptune may turn a corner & give a clearer road ahead. In the meantime I go by my gut feelings.