13 by Martin Gansten Mark: Thank you for your input. I'm glad to see we think alike on this. Linchi: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum https://astrology.martingansten.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:51 am
14 by Martin Gansten linchi wrote:I do not write with the intention of making you feel comfortable. [...] I would expect an astrologer to write something astrological, if, of course, he has any idea. Just to be clear, my role as moderator is not to pronounce on the astrological quality of your posts, or anyone's. (If it were, you would really see some censorship!) A moderator's job is mainly to uphold a civilized tone of discussion and prevent any flagrant breach of forum rules or misuse of the forum, and I agree with Mark that using selective examples to spread conspiracy theories falls under the last category. https://astrology.martingansten.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:12 am
15 by Michael Sternbach The vaccination question is indeed highly controversial - not least in my country, where (according to the last number I read) about 25% of people (including myself) reject being vaccinated. I would rather not go into the reasons, as this is not the place for that - suffice it to say that we critics do have some that are valid enough for us. At any rate, Skyscript is not a political forum. A member's presentation of their research (whatever its conclusions may be) should be tolerated, in my view, as long as they keep it linked to astrology and are respectful of those that may not share their own perspective. Most of all, I believe our readers to be self-responsible adults capable of personally evaluating any information (orthodox or not) they may be exposed to online for themselves. It is not our job or responsibilty as moderators to do this for them. Michael _________________ Visit my blog: https://michaelsternbach.wordpress.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:30 am
16 by Martin Gansten Irrespective of why you or anyone chooses not to be vaccinated, Michael, a statement such as: But my examples show that in this "vaccination" there is also a deadly virus. is not 'research', and letting it stand uncontradicted in the name of tolerance would be irresponsible. Even if everyone who reads our posts is a reasonably intelligent adult (which we do not know: forum posts can be read by anyone), as human beings we are still responsible for not filling them with potentially harmful misinformation. If people do, it is indeed the job of moderators to object. https://astrology.martingansten.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 11:03 am
17 by linchi Mark wrote:Using a small selection of charts for propaganda purposes is in my opinion not an acceptable way to behave on Skyscript. It proves nothing except the self selecting prejudice of the poster. Mark That is simply not true. These are not small samples. When I started investigating the cases a few weeks ago, there were 260 deaths, now there are 291. At least 60-70% of those we don't have birth dates. And so far I have only examined half of the cases. Gradually I will include the others, depending on when I have the time. Example 28 : Devon DuHart He was football player in North Little Rock, Arkansas. Born : 12 August 2004 Died : 23 July 2021 https://www.tributearchive.com/obituari ... von-duhart Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/NE = r UR Example 29 : John Meadows He was football player in North Little Rock, Arkansas. Born : 11 April 1972 Died : 8 August 2021 https://www.earnthenecklace.com/john-meadows-wiki/ Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/NE = r UR/NE = r NE/ZE Example 30 : Franck Berrier Franck Berrier was a French professional footballer who played as a midfielder, spending much of his career in Belgium. Born : 2 February 1984 Died : 13 August 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franck_Berrier Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = solar UR/NE Example 31 : Donadrian Robinson Columbia High school footballer. Born : 17 June 2004 Died : 28 August 2021 https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/ ... n-13252272 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar UR = solar ZE = r SU/UR = r NE/ZE Example 32 : Cameron Dale Australian sailor. Born : 21 December 1991 Died : 30 August 2021 https://celebpie.com/cameron-dale-obitu ... -wikipedia Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/NE = r UR = r NE = r ZE Example 33 : David Patten David Patten was an American professional football player who was a wide receiver in the National Football League (NFL). Born : 19 August 1974 Died : 2 September 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Patten Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/NE = p UR/ZE Example 34 : Yuriy Sedykh Yuriy Georgiyevich Sedykh was a Ukrainian track and field athlete who represented the Soviet Union from 1976–1991 in the hammer throw. Born : 11 June 1955 Died : 14 September 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuriy_Sedykh Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/NE Example 35 : Avi Barot Avi Barot was an Indian cricketer who played for Saurashtra. Born : 25 June 1992 Died : 15 October 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Barot Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/UR = solar UR/NE = r UR/ZE = r NE Example 36 : Murtaza Lodhgar Murtaza Lodhgar was an Indian cricketer.He played ten first-class matches for Bengal between 1997 and 2007. Born : 5 May 1976 Died : 17 September 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murtaza_Lodhgar Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar NE/ZE = r SU/UR Example 37 : Francis Perron University of Ottawa Gee-Gees defensive linebacker Born : 18 April 1996 Died : 18 September 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Perron https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/university-of ... -1.5591964 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar NE/ZE = r SU = r UR Example 38 : Jüri Tamm Jüri Tamm was an Estonian hammer thrower and politician. Born : 5 February 1957 Died : 22 September 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%BCri_Tamm Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/NE = solar UR/ZE Example 39 : Major Wingate Major Leon-Legrant Wingate was an American basketball player. Born : 10 November 1983 Died : 2 October 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Wingate Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = r UR = r NE/ZE Example 40 : Jake Kazmarek Bodybuilder. Born : 24 January 1993 Died : 2 October 2021 https://burgerfuneralhome.com/tribute/d ... tuary.html Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/NE Example 41 : Hayden Todd Holman Marathon runner. Born : 4 November 1998 Died : 2 October 2021 https://www.coltrinmortuary.com/obituary/hayden-holman Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/NE https://archive.org/details/@cemalcicek Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:55 pm
18 by Michael Sternbach Martin Gansten wrote:Irrespective of why you or anyone chooses not to be vaccinated, Michael, a statement such as: But my examples show that in this "vaccination" there is also a deadly virus. is not 'research', and letting it stand uncontradicted in the name of tolerance would be irresponsible. Even if everyone who reads our posts is a reasonably intelligent adult (which we do not know: forum posts can be read by anyone), as human beings we are still responsible for not filling them with potentially harmful misinformation. If people do, it is indeed the job of moderators to object. Martin, Are you aware that two widely applied Covid-19 vaccines - AstraZeneca's Vaxzevria and Johnson & Johnson's Janssen - indeed contain an (allegedly harmless) adenovirus? The former of the two made headlines last Spring when a number of people developed a rare form of blood clotting subsequent to the vaccination, and some of them died. After that had happened, many countries (at least temporarily) banned the vaccine or limited its distribution to age groups less prone to blood clotting. According to an investigation by EMA, a connection between the vaccine and the disease is not unlikely, however, the advantages of its application were seen as outweighing its risks overall. Some countries still haven't accepted AstraZeneca's vaccine, though, including the USA and Switzerland (where the company has actually pulled its application for approval a couple of months ago). Similar effects have been observed in some people inoculated with Johnson & Johnson's viral vector vaccine as well. Three countries stopped or restricted its use consequently. I am sharing all this only to show that the statement you quoted - although it may not exactly conform to academic standards - should not be thrown out as 'misinformation' without further consideration. Moreover, it was presented as a result of the poster's astrological (not strictly medical) research. As such, it is fair enough. True, we don't know who exactly may be reading forum, and there is always the chance that someone makes a wrong decision based on a piece of information they learned on a website. By the same token, it may greatly benefit someone else. Again, it's generally not for us (as moderators) to decide what is correct and what is not, in my opinion. Michael _________________ Visit my blog: https://michaelsternbach.wordpress.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:51 pm
19 by Martin Gansten No, Michael, it is not fair enough to state that 'in this "vaccination" there is also a deadly virus': it is a false statement, and scaremongering. Yes, all vaccines have some side effects, and no, of course we can't know the long-term effects of something that has only recently come into existence. But Linchi was explicitly speaking of mRNA vaccines, not of the varieties you mention, so I won't go down the path of discussion you opened, which is legitimate enough in itself but not, in my view, what Skyscript is for. If there were a deadly virus in the mRNA vaccines, 83% of the Swedish population above age 12 (by yesterday's count) would have been infected with it at least twice, and the remaining 17% would be busy digging mass graves. No further comment necessary. Anyone is free to make his/her own choices and to hold whatever beliefs he/she likes. But, to take another example, if someone were to claim to have proved astrologically (even using planets that actually exist) that Donald Trump won the 2020 election, it would still be misinformation. If it proved anything, it would be that the astrological methods used were flawed. It would not risk directly affecting anyone's health, though, so it would arguably be less objectionable. https://astrology.martingansten.com/ Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:58 pm
20 by linchi In this list I am at number 189 and go up to number 1. https://goodsciencing.com/covid/athlete ... ovid-shot/ Example 42 : Igor Nikulin Igor Yuriyevich Nikulin was a hammer thrower who represented the USSR, the Unified Team, and later Russia. Born : 14 August 1960 Died : 7 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Niku ... r_thrower) Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar UR/NE = r SU/UR = r ZE Example 43 : Julija Portjanko Julija Portjanko was a Macedonian handball player. Born : 20 April 1983 Died : 12 October 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julija_Portjanko Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/ZE = t NE/ZE Example 44 : Haitem Jabeur Fathallah Tunisian basketball player for Italian team Fortutido Messina. Born : 28 November 1989 Died : 17 October 2021 https://basketball.eurobasket.com/playe ... amo/256022 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar UR/NE = solar UR/ZE = r SU/UR Example 45 : Brian Gassaway Brian Gassaway was an American mixed martial artist who last competed in the Welterweight division. Born : 7 August 1972 Died : 17 October 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Gassaway Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/UR = r NE/ZE Example 46 : Lexi Riggles Lexi Riggles , a Hanover College senior and 2018 Danville High School graduate who played basketball for the Panthers and Warriors. Born : 29 July 2000 Died : 17 October 2021 https://www.tributearchive.com/obituari ... neral-home Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar NE = solar ZE = r SU/UR Example 47 : Levent Selim Levent Selim , Hertha BSC co-trainer. Born : 31 March 1973 Died : 28 October 2021 https://www.transfermarkt.de/levent-sel ... ler/196170 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar NE = solar SU/UR = r UR/ZE Example 48 : Jayson Robert Kidd Jayson Kidd (12) collapsed during basketball practice at school and later died. Born : 9 December 2008 Died : 27 October 2021 https://www.tributearchive.com/obituari ... obert-kidd Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/UR = solar UR/NE = solar UR/ZE = r NE = r ZE Example 49 : Jedd Hoffman Jedd Hoffman (15), Park City High School wide receiver and linebacker, collapsed with seizure-like actions. Born : 3 December 2005 Died : 1 November 2021 https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bi ... d=31339626 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/NE = solar SU/ZE = r SU/UR Example 50 : Boris Sádecký Boris Sádecký (24), vaccinated Slovakian @bratislavaCAPS ice hockey star died after collapsing on the ice during a match in Dornbirn, Austria Born : 20 April 1997 Died : 3 November 2021 https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/1 ... is-sadecky Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar NE/ZE = r SU/UR Example 51 : Konstantin Wajgin Konstantin Wajgin (or Vaygin or Vaigin), 57, Belarusian biathlete and coach. Born : 15 August 1964 Died : 5 November 2021 https://www.wikiwand.com/pl/Konstantin_Wajgin Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/UR = p NE/ZE To be continued..... https://archive.org/details/@cemalcicek Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:35 pm
21 by Ouranos As of today, 346M Covid cases reported in the world - World population 7.9B Maybe more not reported. Roughly, 4% of the world population contracted the virus. And 60.4% of the world population is vaccinated. 4.7B Linchi's initial post on Covid research was March 31, 2020 "Astrological Research: Virus Diseases" http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10858 The virus diseases indicate Uranus, Neptune, Zeus and personal point involved the ruler of the ASC and/or the Sun "When these three planets form harmonic to each other or to the Sun, the person has the virus, and if MA/SA is also involved, it will be fatal. It is not always necessary that three or four planets simultaneously together form a harmonic. It is also enough that the four planets are linked with each other." OK, I got that! But why does he suddenly switch his study from Virus Diseases to Vaccine Diseases, using the same planetary pictures? Although he departs from the WSL Forum (Uranian Astrology Forum) in Germany, I have found the same initial post on this Forum. It would be a good place for you to get some feedback from Uranian practitioners. But with only 39 posts in 7 years, I would be curious to know what Karsten F. Kröncke (the moderator on this Forum and the last personal student of Hermann Lefeldt) thinks of your work. As for one of the case you report, Jean-Marc Vallée whom I knew, you find Su/Ur = Zeus which indicates 'high-blood pressure' not vaccine disease and Ur/Ne = which is alternating between tension and relaxation and Su/Ur 'irregular hearth beat' His agent said he suffered a cardio respiratory arrest. Knowing he was a fitness fanatic, maybe he pushed the machine too much. A friend who did not hear from Vallee on Dec 24th found his body on the 25th. Vallée was returning home from shopping and the autopsy indicates a 'natural cause'. But linking it to the vaccine is a shortcut I am not buying here. Last edited by Ouranos on Sun Jan 23, 2022 1:03 pm, edited 1 time in total. Blessings! Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:28 pm
22 by Mark Linchi wrote: Do you realise that there is no difference between you and 1940s Germany when you ban my examples ? But I am sure you will find a "suitable" argument. That is quite a strong reaction. The analogy with Nazi Germany lacks any objectivity. I can give you my assurance having you be lined up before a firing squad, imprisoned and tortured to death or having all your family exterminated exceeds my humble authority as a moderator here. As for the criticism on censorship it is problematic when we get into highly controversial and politicised areas like the pro or anti-vaccine debate. Speaking as the mundane forum moderator I have sometimes had to limit discussion in the past when it strays away from actual astrology and gets too politicised. I accept your post here did have actual astrological content which is a bit different. However, your approach does seem like something of an astrological cherry picking exercise. Over half the population of planet earth (4 billion people) have now received a vaccine jab. So you sample is far too microscopic to prove anything statistically on a collective level. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:31 pm
23 by linchi Mark wrote: However, your approach does seem like something of an astrological cherry picking exercise. Over half the population of planet earth (4 billion people) have now received a vaccine jab. So you sample is far too microscopic to prove anything statistically on a collective level. Mark I did not claim that all "vaccines" currently on the market are dangerous or deadly. That would be so obvious then. I am astrologically investigating the cause of death only in those deaths that have been publicly reported. We do not know how many deaths there are that have not been made public. Batch codes and associated deaths, disabilities and illnesses for Covid 19 Vaccines : https://www.howbadismybatch.com/ https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/how-bad-is-my-batch https://archive.org/details/@cemalcicek Quote Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:06 am
24 by linchi Example 52 : Shawn Rhoden Shawn Rhoden was a Jamaican-American IFBB professional bodybuilder and past Mr. Olympia. Born : 2 April 1975 Died : 6 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawn_Rhoden Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/NE = solar UR/ZE Example 53 : Luíz Antônio dos Santos Luíz Antônio dos Santos was a Brazilian long-distance runner who specialized in the marathon. Born : 6 September 1964 Died : 6 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lu%C3%ADz ... dos_Santos Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/NE = p UR/NE = r ZE Example 54 : Isaiah Davon Banks Isaiah Banks, 16, Norcross High School football player. Born : 24 February 2005 Died : 7 November 2021 https://www.crowellbrothers.com/obituar ... d=23058569 Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/ZE = p UR/NE Example 55 : Aliya Khambikova Aliya Khambikova was a Russian professional volleyball player. Born : 1 January 1999 Died : 7 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliya_Khambikova Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/UR = solar UR/NE = solar UR/ZE Example 56 : Jamarcus Jaquon Hall Jamarcus Hall (16) Houston High School football player Born : 15 December 2004 Died : 5 November 2021 https://bellememorialfuneralhomes.com/o ... arcus-hall Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU/UR = r NE = r ZE Example 57 : Pedro Feliciano Pedro Juan Feliciano Molina was a Puerto Rican baseball pitcher who played nine seasons in Major League Baseball (MLB). Born : 25 August 1976 Died : 8 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Feliciano Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p UR/NE = p ZE = r SU/UR Example 58 : Willis Forko Willis Forko was a Liberian-American professional footballer who played as a left-back. Born : 12 November 1983 Died : 8 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willis_Forko Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p UR/NE = p SU/ZE Example 59 : Ivo Georgiev Ivo Georgiev was a Bulgarian professional footballer who played as a forward. Born : 12 May 1972 Died : 13 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivo_Georgiev Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = solar UR/ZE = r NE Example 60 : Jaroslaw Pacon Jaroslaw Bogdan Pacon was a Polish footballer who played as a defender. Born : 8 January 1972 Died : 13 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaros%C5%82aw_Paco%C5%84 Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = solar SU/NE = solar UR = r NE Example 61 : Aaron Vasquez Aaron Vasquez (14), Basketballer. Born : 4 September 2007 Died : 20 November 2021 https://www.barrettleberfuneralhome.com ... !/Obituary Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = solar UR/NE = r SU/ZE = r UR/NE Example 62 : Riuler de Oliveira Faustino Riuler de Oliveira Faustino , commonly known as Riuler, was a Brazilian professional footballer who played as a midfielder. Born : 25 January 1998 Died : 23 November 2021 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riuler Solar Return (Harmonic 16) solar SU/ZE = r UR/NE Example 63 : Fatimah Shabazz Volleyball player. Born : 19 September 1999 Died : 23 November 2021 https://bigsouthsports.com/news/2021/11 ... abazz.aspx Secondary Progression (Harmonic 16) p SU = p UR/ZE = p NE/ZE = r UR/ZE = r NE/ZE To be continued..... https://archive.org/details/@cemalcicek Quote Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:50 am