Frawley's Sports Astrology 1 by johannes susato London, Sat Jun 26, 2021 skyrack wrote:Italy v Austria 1.50 7.50 Lord1 antiscion is in house 10 - minor positive <Pluto> Testimony: Misc: Outers: Pluto on cusp2 HARMS the favourites. Is the Pluto effect enough to overturn the odds advantage? Hello Skyrack, I appreciate your thread "Euros ... continued" very much and, to be honest, so much, that I don't want to disturb the flow of all the matches you judge. An immense labor, indeed. As I'm very much interested in understanding Frawley and his rules in Sports Astrology correctly, perhaps we could discuss some problems of those rules here? The antiscion of Lord 1 is at 27.53 Libra and not a testimony, because it is more than 3° off the cusp. As to the best of my remambrane in one of his samples the position of Pluto is not more than minutes beside the cusp of the 2nd. Insofar the result of the match matches the odds, and only the odds, in my opinion. Quote Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:09 pm
2 by Ouranos Hello Skyrack, Appreciate also that you take time to dress up as a 'bookmaker' for our Forum. We all learn by putting a system to test. Which is something we do not see much here except the Horary section and you deserve credit for doing it. At the end of the Euro, would you be willing to do a self-evaluation check-up on where your predictions worked or not and provide the reasons why. Best to you, Ouranos Blessings! Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:32 am
3 by skyrack Thanks both for the feedback. Hi Johannes, It is good to be able to discuss interpretations of Frawley's methods. Lord1 Antiscion for that match is 6.2886448313628875° in house 10 Frawley mentions "on", "just in" and "in" when delineating house placement of the Lords. He also says: "A PLANET ON A CUSP CONTROLS THAT HOUSE A PLANET INSIDE A CUSP IS CONTROLLED BY THAT HOUSE" But as we are looking at wider house placement and not just cusp placement of the Lords, Lord1 Antiscion is IN house 10. Albeit this is a marginal testimony and perhaps a Lord in its own house should be limited to "on" and "just in". Does Frawley say 3° for limits to the cusp? You are right. Pluto is too far from the cusp - my mistake. 1 degree should be the maximum here. I think the testimonies should be taken in the context of the odds. It would be nice to be able to score the testimonies and weigh the outcome against the odds. Hi Ouranos, Yes. I intend to do an evaluation, although providing reasons is another matter... Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:28 am
4 by skyrack Holland v Czech Republic 1.61 5.75 Lord1 is Jupiter Lord7 is Mercury Lord7 body is 14° in house 7 - minor negative <Moon> - negative PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites. The underdogs need a bit more to overcome the odds? Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:04 pm
5 by skyrack Belgium v Portugal 2.30 3.25 Lord1 is Jupiter Lord10 is Venus Lord7 is Mercury Lord4 is Mars Lord1 antiscion is in ( 14° ) house 10 - minor positive Moon Mercury 120 Exact +00:04:14 Moon Mars Antiscion 90 Applicative +02:59:23 - negative Mars Saturn 180 Applicative +02:31:47 - positive 1 have not yet allocated any quantitative scoring to the various testimonies. But on balance I would give Portugal the overall favour although could need a bit more to overturn the odds. Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:05 pm
6 by johannes susato Hi Skyrack, you should continue the row of the matches in your "Euros ....continued" -thread too! It is so clearly and nicely ordered there! I'll come back to the 3° Orb at the cusps later. Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:51 pm
7 by johannes susato johannes susato wrote: I'll come back to the 3° Orb at the cusps later. Now, SA, p.81: House-placement of Lords 1, 7, 4 and 10 bodily (and by antiscia, p.82) "Very close. Sitting on the cusp, at most a couple of degrees before it. Tucked just inside the house, at most a couple of degrees inside it." p.82: "Beyond the tight parameters I gave you, of some 2 or 3 degrees before ore after the cusp, position by house means nothing. Lord 1 is not mildly afflicted by being 6 degrees inside the 7th house; it is not afflicted at all. Lord 1 might be 6 degrees inside the 1st house while Lord 7 is tucked away inside the 12th: this means nothing." Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:00 pm
8 by skyrack Hi Johannes, Thanks indeed for those references which are missing from my extract. 1 degree inside the house is ON the cusp? or JUST INSIDE the house? What do you think? Bearing in mind the testimony could be polar opposites... Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:46 pm
9 by johannes susato skyrack wrote:Holland v Czech Republic 1.61 5.75 Lord1 is Jupiter Lord7 is Mercury Lord7 body is 14° in house 7 - minor negative <Moon> - negative PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites. The underdogs need a bit more to overcome the odds? In my opinion the Moon's trine with the underdog's Mercury made the underdogs to be the winning team - againt every expectation. Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:12 pm
10 by johannes susato . . . and not to forget the applying conjunction of Mercury with the antiscion of the Part of Fortune. Quote Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:24 pm
Sweden vs Ukraine 11 by cometwolf https://imgbb.com/hcYPwkQ Sweden are favorites The Moon separating from a conjunction with Jupiter and applying to a square with Mercury is fairly clear here. Ukraine win ? Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:02 am
12 by skyrack I forgot to strip the angle brackets which corrupted that testimony which should have read: skyrack wrote: Moon Mercury 120 Applicative +01:45:40 - negative However skyrack wrote: PoF Combust is DESTRUCTIVE for favourites was so descriptive of what happened on the field of play. Moreover that trine aspect was also testimony (although not the final Moon aspect) in the next game where it was exact but failed to repeat the destuction of the favourites. johannes susato wrote:. . . and not to forget the applying conjunction of Mercury with the antiscion of the Part of Fortune. Well spotted! A bug in my script skipped these particular checks - corrected now. Mercury Pars Fortuna 0 Applicative +01:11:02 But still this FAVOURS the underdogs rather than being DESTRUCTIVE for favourites. Quote Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:33 am