The coronation of King Charles III and his wife, Queen Camilla, as king and queen of the United Kingdom and the other Commonwealth realms took place today on Saturday 6 May 2023 at Westminster Abbey, London. Charles had previously acceded to the throne on 8 September 2022, upon the death of his mother, Elizabeth II.

Charles and Camilla's coronation was the first of a British monarch in the 21st century, and the 40th to be held at Westminster Abbey since the coronation of William the Conqueror in 1066. At 74 Charles is the oldest person to be crowned as monarch in British history.

Drawing on elements going back over a millennium it was a highly symbolic Christian ceremony, structured around an Anglican service of Holy Communion, included Charles taking an oath ,being anointed with holy oil, receiving the coronation regalia, and being crowned.

While representatives other faiths in the United Kingdom were represented at the service it emphasized the King's spiritual role and secular responsibilities as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and the King of the United Kingdom and the other 14 realms he has become the monarch of.

Representatives of the Church of England and the British royal family declared their allegiance to him, and the people throughout the Commonwealth realms were invited to do so.

Camilla was crowned in a shorter and simpler ceremony. After the service, members of the royal family travelled to Buckingham Palace in a state procession and appeared on the palace's balcony.

Charles and Camilla's coronation service was altered from past British coronations to represent multiple faiths, cultures, and communities across the United Kingdom, and was shorter than his mother's coronation in 1953. The service for the coronation was all in English unlike that of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953 which used both Latin and English. However, this wasn't the first time an all English coronation service had taken place as the coronation of James I (James VI of Scotland) in 1603 had been all in English too.



I have prepared some key charts for members to examine. The coronation had various key moments which I timed. I will put those up later. For now I just want to focus on the coronation chart for King Charles III.

I am using the time for when the crown was placed on King Charles head. Using the World Clock I timed this to 12.02.08 BST (UT/GMT +1 hour)



Appropriately we see the royal sign of Leo rising (Matching the ASC sign of Charles). The angles of the chart are all fixed. The ASC ruler in the 10th house. This is usually indicates stability and something long enduring. But considering Charles's age that is bound to seem a short period compared to the epic reign of his Mother Queen Elizabeth II the longest serving monarch in British or English history.

While there were some republican demonstrations today the movement currently only has minority support of about 25% of the population although it may grow further as there is less support for the monarchy the younger the demographic you examine.

Overall,despite the positive features noted above its looking like quite a troubled chart. Anyone, holding to the theory that the royal family still consult astrologers on electing public events would find that view hard to sustain on the evidence of this chart.

The Moon is the natural significator for the people along with the ASC and its ruler. Here the Moon is in Scorpio is in its sign of fall in the chart and the out of sect luminary disposited by the out of sect malefic (Mars) placed in the 12th house. The Moon is also the dispositor of the 12th house.

I have seen one astrologer suggest this chart has a void of course Moon. There is clearly a good deal of controversy surrounding the correct definition of a void of course Moon. Nevertheless, if we take the approach of William Lilly I would suggest this Moon is not VOC. There is a separating trine to Mars by the Moon that will remain in moiety orb until after it leaves the sign of Scorpio. Moreover, the Moon will be within moiety orb of a square to Saturn before leaving the sign across the sign boundary. The Moon is already in aspect to Saturn using its fixed orb (12 degrees).

Still, in electional terms a Moon separating from one malefic (Mars) and applying by square to another (Saturn) is not good. Its what traditional astrologers called besieged. Since the Moon is the natural significator of the people in a coronation chart they dont seem that happy here. This Moon is disposited by the out of sect malefic (Mars) which itself is in the 12th house. The Moon is in its sign of fall in Scorpio and its decreasing in light.

This surely, indicates issues with public support during this reign.

However, I note that the IC the traditional indicator of the opponents of the King is ruled by Mars too. Its placement in the 12th house may indicate its unlikely a republic will occur within Britain during this reign. But the chart would fit a continued slow decline of popular support for the monarchy. As , as noted the Moon is in fall in Scorpio (indicating the people) and traditionally ruled by Mars. The UK public are clearly not wildly enthusiastic about monarchy and King Charles in particular. In a recent UK poll, only 52% expressed support for the continuation of the monarchy. Charles, will need to sway the large number of largely indifferent subjects to the monarchy.

On the other hand Mars rules by the 9th house (Aries) by WSH (also Equal/Porphyry /Alcabitius/Campanus) . This could be seen as indicating problems for Charles internationally. Its worth remembering Charles is not just the King of the United Kingdom but also the King of 14 other realms including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Papua new Guinea. As recently as 2021 the caribbean country of Barbados became a republic. Other Caribbean countries such as Jamaica could follow with the respect for monarchy in the figure of Queen Elizabeth waning. Support for republicanism is quite strong in Australia and its the policy of the current governing Labor party and their Green party allies. There was a referendum on becoming a republic in Australia in 1999. Despite most Australians favouring a republic the proposition failed due to divisions in the republican campaign over what kind of the republic should be established. The prospect of another referendum in Australia seems quite a plausible development matching both the astrology and politics.

Using Placidus houses the delineation would be different as that would assign Jupiter as the dispositor of the 9th house. Using Placidus houses the 9th house cusps falls at 29 Pisces which is on the moon degree of the 1066 chart. The forthcoming Saturn-Neptune conjunction also falls on that critical degree.

But sticking with the Mars ruled 9th house this could also reflect religious matters and the declining position of the Church of England. Under existing constitutional arrangements the Anglican/Church of England is the established Church in England. As stated in the coronation oath of King Charles the monarch is still required to be not only a protestant but specifically an Anglican. The Uk monarch is the Supreme Governor of the Church of England.

This situation that has continued since King Henry the VIII broke with the Roman Catholic Church and made himself head of the church. However, since the 19th century the Anglican Church has been in a steady decline. Today only about 2% of the UK population attend Anglican Church services. Census results show the UK population is increasingly secular and indifferent about religion. There is therefore a clear disconnect between the constitutional position of the UK head of state and the privileged position of the Anglican Church and UK popular opinion.

Its interesting that has its been two Pluto returns since Henry VIII pushed through the first Act of Supremacy in 1534. The Act made him, and all of his heirs, Supreme Head of the Church of England. Intriguingly, this occurred with Pluto at the beginning of Aquarius. So in a few short years we will be witnessing a Pluto return to that pivotal event. Whatever, the ultimate fate of the British monarchy has the time come for disestablishment of the Anglican Church?

Getting back to the coronation chart the Sun-Uranus conj is intriguing. Does this indicate a more reforming reign? Or is some disruption ahead (approximately 2-3 years) using solar arcs? It will be worth checking the King's future aspects, solar returns and solar arcs.

Not surprisingly, there is some very strong synastry between the King Charles's natal chart and the coronation event. I have displayed the chart below in a bi-wheel.



Keys aspects by transit:

Tr ASC conj natal Pluto
TR MC conj natal Moon (Lord 12)
Tr Moon conjunct Sun (Lord 1)
Tr Jupiter trine Jupiter (Lord 5 and eight)
Tr Venus conj Uranus
Tr Pluto sq Moon (Lord 12)
Tr Sun Square Pluto
Tr Saturn opp Saturn (Lord 7)
Tr Mars trine Sun (Lord 1)
Tr Saturn trine Mercury (Lord 2 and 11)
Tr Venus opp Jupiter
Tr Mercury Rx opp Mercury (Lord 2 and 11)
NN conj NN

Its interesting King Charles is experiencing his 4th nodal return. He may have spent his whole life waiting to be King but he has finally made it despite many speculations (including by astrologers) over the years to the contrary!

King Charles is in a 3rd house profectional year emphasing its sign ruler Venus. It is obviously the MC ruler in the coronation chart.

The Queen consort (now being referred to as simply Queen Camilla) was crowned in a much simpler ceremony after Charles.

As her chart is less well known I have displayed Queen Camilla's natal chart below. Like Charles she is Leo rising. Indeed their Ascendants are conjunct. Although her chart only has a Rodden B rating so some caution should be used.



Here is Camilla's natal chart and her coronation as a bi-wheel. I timed the coronation when she was crowned Queen to 12.15.27. BST (UT +1 hour)



For those interested in the synastry between King Charles and Queen Camilla I have displayed them in a bi-wheel below.





I have run out of time for more analysis at present. But feel welcome to chime in with your thoughts. I think it would be interesting to discuss connections to other charts ( like the UK 1801, 1066 and 1927 charts as well as the annual Aries ingress).

I know many here will naturally point out the effect of the Penumbral Lunar Eclipse yesterday in Scorpio/Taurus mirroring the signs of the coronation chart Sun/Moon and IC and MC. Its certainly worthy of note. Personally, though I give less significance to non-visible eclipses ''below the earth''. Nearly all of this Lunar eclipse took place during daylight hours in London when the Moon was below the horizon. However, well after the point of maximum eclipse the South-east of UK did catch the very tail end of the eclipse as Moonrise occurred in the last few minutes of the eclipse. The eclipse started at 15:13 UTC , reached maximum eclipse at 17:22 UTC and ended at 19:31 UTC

https://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEplot/LE ... May05N.pdf

Timeline of the days event/Coronation Service

10.20 King Charles and Queen consort Camilla travel from Buckingham Palace to Westminster Abbey in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach.
10.53 Charles prepares to enter Westminster Abbey
10.57.58 King begins procession through Westminster Abbey
11.04.30 The Choir/music stops. The ceremony formally begins.
11.14.16 Charles Takes Oath of Kingship to uphold protestant faith and retain Church of England as state religion.
11.17 Charles signs declaration as King
11.46-48 Charles screened off and anointed with Holy Oil
11.50.19 King sits. Wooden chair.
11.51-12.00 The king was presented with a succession of various regalia: spurs; sword; bracelets of sincerity; robe; orb; ring; glove; and finally the royal sceptre.
12.02.08 Charles crowned as King
12.02.15 Archbishop declares ‘’God Save the King’’.
12.10 Archbishop undertakes oath to Charles as defender of faith
12.11 Archbishop invites public oath of allegiance
12.12.50 God save the King!
12.15.27 Crowning of Camilla as Queen Consort
12.39-41 Charles and Queen Camilla descend from their thrones and enter St Edward's Chapel behind the high altar. They're getting ready for the Coronation Procession, which will take them back to Buckingham Palace.
12.57 King and Queen Camilla begin procession leaving Westminster Abbey to music of national anthem followed by Elgar’s Pomp and Circumstance
13.02 King Charles leaves Westminster Abbey. Coronation bells ring
13.07 Coronation military procession begins
13.30 The King and Queen arrived at Buckingham and received a Royal Salute and three cheers from the military personnel who had been on parade.
14.25 King Charles III and Queen Camilla come to balcony of Buckingham Palace to wave to crowd. Joined other members of the royal family who had taken part in the service at Westminster Abbey

BBC Guide to The Coronation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65342840

The Order of Service from Royal website

https://www.royal.uk/news-and-activity/ ... of-service

Here is Marjorie'e Orr's take. She discusses an interesting question of whether we use the Accession or Coronation chart? Some good research here on the Accession charts of various British monarchs.

https://star4cast.com/accession-proclam ... he-throne/

Mark

Is it possible to shrink the graphics of Charles and Camilla to make reading on screen easier?

Therese Hamilton wrote:

Is it possible to shrink the graphics of Charles and Camilla to make reading on screen easier?

I have overhauled the thread with new pictures and inserted larger text to match the photos.

I dont think the pictures have grossly expanded the thread screen size.

But if any other members give me similar feedback I will make the relevant ammendments.


Mark

Thanks for being such a thorough reporter on the event for us here Mark!
One thing I am trying to figure out for myself is where the accession chart fits into this.

Over the weekend, I dug out some old memorabilia my grandmother left behind - a collection of coronation mugs from the early 1900s. The one celebrating the Jubilee of George V and Queen Mary reminded me that jubilees celebrate the date of the accession, not the coronation, and so have a sense of 'solar return' to them. I am not suggesting for one minute that the coronation chart is not important, just adding, for the record, that the formal ceremony for the accession was 10 am on September 10th, 2022, Westminster.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliam ... P-9621.pdf

Deb wrote:

Thanks for being such a thorough reporter on the event for us here Mark!

Thanks. I think its important an event like this is properly recorded for astrological posterity.

Deb wrote:

One thing I am trying to figure out for myself is where the accession chart fits into this.

Your not alone. I noticed a bit of debate on this following a post by Wendy Stacey on the AA FB page.

Deb wrote:

The one celebrating the Jubilee of George V and Queen Mary reminded me that jubilees celebrate the date of the accession, not the coronation, and so have a sense of 'solar return' to them.

Thanks I wasn't aware of that. I actually, posted up about the accession ceremony of King Charles III last year:

https://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=11770

In summary it seems we have three royal dates/times to choose from:

1 The death of the old monarch when the the person next in line to the throne becomes the new monarch.

2 The public Accession ceremony.

3 The Coronation ceremony.

There are still several constitutional monarchies remaining in Europe (e.g. Spain, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands). However, the United Kingdom is the only remaining country that still carries out a formal coronation ceremony.

Records of accession ceremonies are not as good as details on the death of sovereigns or coronations. Its something I am looking into.

I read one historian comparing the Accession ceremony as the public engagement and the coronation as effectively the marriage when the serving monarch formally commits to the people and their responsibilities to the Church.

I do know that the coronation chart for Queen Elizabeth II seemed to work extremely well in tracking her reign. But I haven't looked into her Accession ceremony. There was certainly a very long gap between the accession of Elizabeth II and her coronation ceremony.

If I was a supporter of the British monarchy I would have to hope the public accession chart was the more important as frankly aspects of Charles III's coronation chart are looking quite troubled and difficult to me.

Mark

Mark wrote: In summary it seems we have three royal dates/times to choose from:
1 The death of the old monarch when the the person next in line to the throne becomes the new monarch.
2 The public Accession ceremony.
3 The Coronation ceremony.

It is a bit of an astrological timing conundrum. Thanks for flushing this out as it merits closer scrutiny.

Just some thoughts though. The succession is/must be approved by Parliament and the monarch must take the oath as a lawful act.
In fact, more than a few English monarchs were taken down by not fulfilling the oath.

For WIW, my vote is for the time of taking the oath but am looking forward to any insights you come up with on the issue. I may or may not have time to participate in the direct conversation.

Mark wrote:
In summary it seems we have three royal dates/times to choose from:

1 The death of the old monarch when the the person next in line to the throne becomes the new monarch.

2 The public Accession ceremony.

3 The Coronation ceremony.

Great summary! These seemingly independent small events collectively form a theme. That is the change of monarchs!

What we want to predict and understand is what kind of impact the change of the British monarch will have on the British monarchy and the Commonwealth.

In other words:

We want to predict whether, during the reign of King Charles III:

(1) the British monarchy will be abolished,

(2) Commonwealth member countries will leave the Commonwealth,

(3) Charles III will abdicate early and pass the throne to his successor.

The above mentioned issues are the current hot topics that we can think of and pay attention to!

Astrological predictions cannot be divorced from reality and common sense.

Next, let's look for corresponding facts.

(1) What are the reasons for those who support the abolition of the monarchy? What are the results of the opinion polls?

(2) What are the reasons for countries that want to leave the Commonwealth?

In my opinion, regardless of any other reasons, the economy may be the main reason.

(3) From the current perspective, the possibility is low.

Wei wrote:

Great summary! These seemingly independent small events collectively form a theme. That is the change of monarchs!

What we want to predict and understand is what kind of impact the change of the British monarch will have on the British monarchy and the Commonwealth.

In other words:

We want to predict whether, during the reign of King Charles III:

(1) the British monarchy will be abolished,

(2) Commonwealth member countries will leave the Commonwealth,

(3) Charles III will abdicate early and pass the throne to his successor.

The above mentioned issues are the current hot topics that we can think of and pay attention to!

Thats useful Wei. I guess I would add another question which may sound somewhat morbid but will this King reign a long time or die prematurely?

Astrological predictions cannot be divorced from reality and common sense.

True. I believe the mundane astrologer should not operate in some kind of bubble and ignore relevant evidence.

Wei wrote:

Next, let's look for corresponding facts.

(1) What are the reasons for those who support the abolition of the monarchy? What are the results of the opinion polls?

(2) What are the reasons for countries that want to leave the Commonwealth?

In my opinion, regardless of any other reasons, the economy may be the main reason.

(3) From the current perspective, the possibility is low.

We can obviously examine polling evidence across the UK and other Commonwealth realms. Although this is only a snapshot. Here is the UK support for the monarchy has dropped over 20% in the last 20 years.

Wei wrote:

In my opinion, regardless of any other reasons, the economy may be the main reason.

I think the reason why countries may choose to become a republic are complex and cannot be reduced to a single factor. I also think local domestic circumstances come into play.


Factors that may contribute to a move to republicanism are I would suggest the following:

1 Political. Based on the idea that a hereditary monarch is not democratic and bolsters social hierarchy and inequality. The case here is that an elected head of state is more egalitarian and democratic.

2 Geographical. The country may be geographically a very long way from Britain and want a head of state that is a native of its own country. For example Australia or the Solomon Islands.

3 Historical. For example Caribbean Islands that had a history of slavery. There may be resentment of UK monarchy based on their historical links to the slave trade and colonial control.

4 Personal. People may find a particular monarch personally less appealing and this association may tarnish the reputation of the monarchy overall.

5 Cultural. The inhabitants of a country may feel that their culture no longer has any strong connection to Britain and a head of state based there.

6 Religious. The UK monarch link to the Anglican Church. The population may no longer support the Anglican or protestant or even Christian faith.

7 Wealth disparity. The wealth of the royal family may cause some people to resent their affluence. It can be used to argue that the monarch cannot really connect to the common people.

Here is the UK support for the monarchy has dropped over 20% in the last 20 years.

All legitimate reasons you mention Mark on leaving the monarchy behind.
Let's not forget that when Elizabeth became Queen (some time ago!) her main goal was to promote democracy in the Commonwealth. Check on that.
She also championed public and voluntary service around the world. She was patron of more than 600 charities and organizations.
Only in Canada, 36 organizations are a fruit of her initiatives including the Canadian Cancer Society and the Canadian Nurses Association.
The rise of authoritarian regimes will never match that.
We can leave the monarchy behind but let's not forget that the children who have grown up have also duties and responsibilities inherited from their parents.

Ouranos wrote:

All legitimate reasons you mention Mark on leaving the monarchy behind.

I was simply replying to Wei to try to explain what may motivate Commonwealth countries or UK citizens to favour a republic. But I dont want to turn this thread into a platform to argue against the monarchy. I am aware that there are some good arguments in favour of a constitutional monarchy. Not least that it seems to have led to considerable political stability in Britain over the centuries. It also seems seems to be an asset to have a head of state detached the day to day hurly-burly of party politics.

Ouranos wrote:

Let's not forget that when Elizabeth became Queen (some time ago!) her main goal was to promote democracy in the Commonwealth. Check on that.
She also championed public and voluntary service around the world. She was patron of more than 600 charities and organizations.
Only in Canada, 36 organizations are a fruit of her initiatives including the Canadian Cancer Society and the Canadian Nurses Association.
The rise of authoritarian regimes will never match that.
We can leave the monarchy behind but let's not forget that the children who have grown up have also duties and responsibilities inherited from their parents.

Again I am not here to suggest the monarchy have not done good things for Britain or the commonwealth countries like Canada.

The reality is though that republicanism seems to be strong in many Commonwealth realms. You might find this article interesting. Its shows polling on support for the monarchy in the four constituent parts of the UK plus the other 14 Commonwealth realms. I was quite surprised to learn that support for the monarchy is even lower in Canada than in Australia.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2023/05/t ... th-realms/

Here is the polling of people from the UK

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2023/05/i ... -monarchy/

Anyway, I suppose we better get back to some astrology!

Hi Mark,
I would look at Camilla to start, with Hermetic electional astrology regarding parans with Court Astrologers,
My chart is a few seconds different with crowning, it doesn't matter, it is the symbolic Sirius/Isis Queen.
The reason is to make her more popular, Diana could make problems.
Graph below:-
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/i ... ng.103296/